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Myths vs lies : Comments

By Marko Pavlyshyn, published 28/2/2022

There is a pause, some indistinct sounds, and then the reply: 'Russian Warship, go f* yourself.'

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From what I understand the 'Ghost of Kyiv' story is fake news to rally the fighting spirit, the plane shown falling to pieces was a Ukranian Su-25 Frogfoot, but the sunflower seeds story is true, I saw it.

I think Russian soldier was brave showing constraint considering the Ukrainian citizens have been armed.

As for the idiots on the island, they pretty much asked to die.
What if the tank-man in Tiananmen Square just got run over instead?
He wouldn't be a brave symbol of defiance, he'd just be foolish and dead.

Also noticed you left all the juicy parts of the story out.

Like the US conducting the overthrow from US Embassy in Kiev where the DNC servers Donald Trump was looking for were relocated to -
Obama, Biden, Nuland, Soros

Found server room in Ukraine
http://tinyurl.com/3exv3cbz
Wife of NSA Inspector General helped him plot Trump coup in Ukraine
http://tinyurl.com/3cnbxykm

They had to move it from the DNC to Ukraine.
They were spying on the Trump campaign after baseless accusations that Trump had some seedy hotel rendezvous.
It was just a ruse to create a context for Hillary to spy on his election campaign, and even then she couldn't win.
Don't think for 1 second Biden won fair and square.
Democrats invite foreigners to vote and drive people around in buses to vote multiple times,
- and somehow even the dead seem to rise from the grave and vote too.

They're experts at this, because they have a takedown group in place for when they do it in other countries.
Why do you think Soros owns the voting machines?

Too many years since I looked at all this stuff
Russiagate, Crowdstrike, Fancy Bears, Cosy Bears, Dmitri Alperovitch,
Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Bill Browder, Magnitsky Act, NATO Blackberries
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 1:27:33 AM
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<< But possibly the most potent symbol to date, picked up by mainstream Western media too, is the story, substantiated by audio recording, of thirteen border guards on the tiny Zmiinyi (Snake) Islandin the Black Sea near the Ukrainian-Romanian border. >>

You may have jumped the gun in making a big song and dance about this incident. The audio recording hasn't been verified and reports are emerging that the border guards may still be alive. So might be best to lay off celebrating that little piece of mythology just yet.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-28/ukraine-border-guard-snake-island-russia-attack/100867150

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island-defenders-who-told-russian-officer-go ... yourself-may-still-be-alive

<< … when he (Putin) rants about the imaginary genocide of Russian-speaking people in Ukraine ... >>

Not a rant, I’m afraid, but very real. Mass graves are being uncovered and are starting to reveal the true horror of the Donbas killings.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/10/21/more-skeletons-in-obamas-closet-mass-grave-in-lugansk-ukraine-yields-over-200-bodies

Yes, lots of mythology here. Not to mention glaring omissions. Not one mention of the US and NATO’s eastward expansion.
Posted by Bronwyn, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 1:48:46 AM
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Just talking with a friend how Australia desperately needs media diversity and skills of critical thinking, literacy and assessing credibility of sources; the last two comments confirm this.

Two good indie sources on UKraine/Russia are Bellingcat on the integrity of images and ByLine Times which has people on the ground; Australia we continue with conspiracy theories via astroturfing?

UK Tories are going to be the first in the Anglosphere to be seriously challenged for being puppets of Putin and recipients of dark money from oligarchs for influence, while also being linked to Koch thinks tanks (ALL at 55 Tufton St.), you know, 'fossil fuels' who also despise the EU, liberal democracy and open society.
Posted by Andras Smith, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 2:06:28 AM
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Wars aren't started by the first shot !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 7:32:39 AM
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Andras Smith

<< Just talking with a friend how Australia desperately needs media diversity and skills of critical thinking, literacy and assessing credibility of sources; the last two comments confirm this. >>

Instead of insinuating that I'm stupid and gullible, I suggest you make an effort to refute the points I make. The strength or weakness of our literacy and critical thinking skills will then become a little more evident.
Posted by Bronwyn, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 1:15:11 PM
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If I tried to be fair, I think the US has a lot to answer for in creating the situation we now have.

1. NATO slowly moving eastwards until it's now on Russia's doorstep, against assurances given at the end of the USSR; and
2. Overthrowing the democratically elected President of Ukraine in 2014 with the Maidan, which they orchestrated and carried out.

Take note that a lot of killings occurred then, and since.

So I think Western actions are completely at fault for creating this situation.

Also it's hardly any different to Japan.
Back then they stopped Japan from getting oil.
Now, they are stopping Russia from selling theirs.
- The West is pushing the countries into war -

I support Russia recognising the independence of the Donbass and Luhansk regions;
I support these regions becoming a part of Russia, if that's what they choose.
I accept that Russia had to draw a line in the sand somewhere because its NATO security concerns were being ignored and dismissed.

But I don't think it was good idea to invade the whole of Ukraine in the way it has.
Let's say 10000 people on each side die.
Theres going to be bad blood for the next 50 - 100 years because of it.
I'd like to think there was somehow a different option to a full invasion.
Maybe if Putin had've shown some restraint in Ukraine after it recognised and entered the Donbass and Luhansk regions, as peacekeepers and then instead stopped all Russian oil and gas exports to Europe and the West when sanctioned he'd have had more leverage or made a better case for what he wanted.

What if there was a compromise where Ukraine became a NATO protectorate, not a full member status?
They could be entitled to collective defense if attacked or invaded; but not permitted to host military bases, troops or missiles?

Also I think the whole thing highlights a need to look at the way the West does things, as both sides could've done things differently here.
Their mistakes mean innocent people die.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 4:36:30 PM
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