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The electric highway – a fuelish policy : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 10/12/2021

Users should fund their own recharging centres and insurance, and all road users should contribute fairly to the costs of road building and maintenance.

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Our money is being handed over to the fabulously wealthy to help make them even wealthier. And we don’t have enough intelligent, self-protecting consumers to resist unnecessary rubbish like electric vehicles. The peasants will go into more debt to buy them. And the biggest beneficiaries will be the genocidal billionaire Beijing communists who are already making a killing as well as their Western camp followers, the various carpet-baggers and shysters who expect to share in the profits. Follow the money.

How stupid can the government be! Withdrawing support from our own car making industry, then turning around and supporting infrastructure to help foreign car makers to rip us off even more than they are now.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 10 December 2021 9:02:57 AM
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There's a couple of alternatives to the EV highway as envisaged. One is plugin hybrid cars which can do short trips on battery and longer trips on fuel. Another option is concessional registration for families with both a fuel car and an EV. That way the fuel car gets used for longer trips and the EV gets charged at home with barely a need for charging stations out in Woop Woop.

Recurring issues with rural charging stations apparently include incompatibility, queues of cars and being out of service. That's on top of the huge public cost. Nor is it clear that two way charging will take on either due to cost and user reluctance. Home charging of EVs should dominate perhaps if the homeowner has solar panels or if the grid can cope.
Posted by Taswegian, Friday, 10 December 2021 10:28:45 AM
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I suspect that neither ttbn or Taswegian has seen a Australian map of
charging points around Australia. All the main highways from Adelaide
to Cairns have fast chargers installed. There are two companies plus
the NRMA and the WA Motoring organisation. There are still gaps like
accross the Nullarbor.
I note just today that overseas the electricity supply companies are
now getting into the business.
Shell of course has announced that every Shell service station in the
world will have fast chargers installed.
By the time the government types up their proposal it will be all over.
I have to go out right now but when I come back I will out up the
links to the Australian charger networks.
BTW 450 Tesla 3s were landed in Fremantle out of 2000 for the month.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 10 December 2021 2:46:38 PM
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Here is one map;

https://tinyurl.com/yc38p6m6

I have seen others but I have not looked to see if they show more.
There are two or three companies operating chargers plus the RACQ and the NRMA.
However the majority of charging is done from home with
2 Kw or 7 kw chargers in the garage.
Frankly I do not believe that there is room for another operator.
Perhaps Govt could finance gaps like the Nullarbor and a few gaps
along outback highways. At present some gaps are 200 Km plus and that
forces some cars into long stops instead of half hour stops for a cuppa.
It works out OK if the gap co-incides with an overnight stop.
An Australian company, Tritium, is the largest builder of fast chargers in the world.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 10 December 2021 3:53:01 PM
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Scott Morrison has had another green brainwave – spend a zillion dollars to build Australia’s electric/hydrogen highway. Naturally, this ‘Fuelish Policy’ will be supported and accelerated by the Greens/ALP coalition.

They all need to study the history of transport in Australia.

Soon after the First Fleet landed, explorers, prospectors and settlers headed inland seeking grasslands, timber and minerals. Often they followed ancient aboriginal trade routes to discover the best waterholes, river crossings and gaps in the ranges. No governments surveyed their routes, graded their roads, or established stores of hay, grain, water and billy tea along the tracks to re-charge their horses, donkeys, bullocks, passengers and drivers.
Posted by Shivanya, Friday, 10 December 2021 8:08:10 PM
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Youngsters can't land positions and the more established ones have
to resign when they arrive at annuity age in many positions.
Observing the right equilibrium for the two ages is
difficult. In any case, many callings do permit more established
individuals to keep working. Government officials, specialists,
many retail outlets, cafés, matured consideration
offices, wellbeing laborers, etc.

I think it involves exchange and how well
somebody feels and can adapt. Individuals realize when they've had
enough and when then, at that point, can or can't keep working due
to their wellbeing. Our GP is north of eighty and as yet going
solid. Companions of our own who have left their callings
are currently caught up with chipping in locally. Remaining
dynamic is so significant wellbeing astute as you age. Most
individuals understand that. Truly as well as intellectually.
Posted by Shivanya, Friday, 10 December 2021 8:09:32 PM
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One aspect that shows the idiocy of this push for electric vehicles includes the fact that the recharge stations are all along the popular highways. There is not the capacity in the power systems to put recharge stations along such routes as the Mitchell Highway through western New South Wales and Queensland.
As the author of this discussion says, the original support services were provided by private business in response to a determined need. The Government was not leading the way at any stage and only responded with road surveys and construction because the users were already travelling there. The same should apply to the EV infrastructure. Let private enterprise step in and meet the demand as created and paid for by the users of that technology. If the need is there, they can pay whatever the service providers deem appropriate to be there for them.
The fact that an electric car may be ideal for the cities on the coast does not mean that the impending legislation will make them suitable for the country areas.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Friday, 10 December 2021 10:14:23 PM
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It takes a few minutes to fill up with petrol, pay for it, have a pee, and continue your journey.

How quick are these 'quick' chargers for EVs?
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 11 December 2021 8:18:22 AM
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ttbn: To charge a car at a quick (high-voltage) charger takes considerably longer than a few minutes. We're talking 10's of minutes to an hour+ depending on voltage, the size of the battery and the level of charge. So you have to wait quite a while, but the idea is that if you are charging while undertaking a long drive you coordinate your charging so that you have lunch or a little nap/rest while it charges.

HOWEVER, the vast majority of charging isn't performed at EV charging stations, but rather at home overnight. And this sort of changing inconveniences you by just mere seconds. All it requires is that you plug in the car and then let it charge overnight (a smart charger combined with demand power pricing will charge when the electricity is cheapest) and then pull the plug out in the morning. This sort of charging requires vastly less time than driving to a servo, filling up, paying, leave the servo. And this mode of charging is sufficient for the majority of a car's use, since most driving is local and short distance.
Posted by thinkabit, Saturday, 11 December 2021 9:47:16 AM
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Thanks for that, thinkabit. It's too long for me. EVs might be OK for the city, with home charging as you say, but not much good for long distance trips. I do over 600ks on a 50litre tank of petrol. Only the most expensive EV could get near that, as far as I know.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 11 December 2021 11:14:21 AM
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Was it a Nissan or a Chev executive that was recently quoted saying their electric cars should not be charged with in 50 Ft of anything you value? Sounds like that would include your garage.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 11 December 2021 12:12:12 PM
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