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More trees, less grass, no food : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 10/11/2021

Artificial carbon capture is an unnecessary waste - the grasslands, forests, crops and continental shelf of Australia sequester far more carbon dioxide than Australia emits from all energy, transport, agriculture and mining sources.

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When are sensible realistic unwoke Australians going to wakeup, act and stop all this NET ZERO EVERTING crap. This is nothing more a than globalist, socialist /fascist scam that uses the " poor puppy dog eyes" sympathy angle with " sinking Island", "baby polar" and "whale/dolphin/koala deaths" justifying this mass wealth transfer to pacific Islands etc.

ITS a SCAM and we are fools for allowing it. China, Russia, Iran et al are laughing at us. They are doing nothing other than ignoring the scam. While we destroy our manufacturing, fossil fuel and agriculture industries, "Chiana" is selling us the very " drug" to feed our self-inflicted "flagellation" , namely cheap solar panels an expensive wind turbines.

I hope I make it to 100years old, and have the mental capacity to smile and rub " I told you so" to the " youth generation and scream " How did you?" at them!

By then of course I will have to have learnt Mandarin, as speaking English will have been banned by our new enforced PRC puppet government of the Special Economic Region of Australia!
Posted by Alison Jane, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 8:12:05 AM
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Who knows what to believe these days. About anything. It's just got too hard, too confusing , for the average person, who has been given no reason to trust anyone, particularly politicians and "experts". I would like to think that Viv Forbes is right, but .....
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 8:18:34 AM
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The greenhouse accounting people disagree with the numbers in the article. See the interactive graphic for emissions by sector in
https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/national-greenhouse-gas-inventory-quarterly-update-march-2021
They seem to think that land use, land use change and forestry LULUCF was net negative by about 25 Mt in the last year but about 100 Mt net emitting in 2005. That's the basis for Morrison's claim of a 20% reduction 2005-2021. Exclude land use and there's almost no change over that period.

The greenhouse accountants conveniently left out the 800+ Mt from the big fires as it was not deemed normal business. They did include methane burps from cows and nitrous oxide from fertiliser and manure in the agriculture category. I'm afraid agriculture is a big net emitter and some say it can never grow enough grass and trees to absorb that. Something has to give, either less people or less cows.
Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 10:09:22 AM
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More or less agree with this ultra simplistic argument. And add, some sustainable regenerative farming practices could alone reverse climate change!

The elephant in the room, Viv, is the greenhouse gas, methane, produced by burping herbivores!

Recent research demonstrates some seaweed reduces or may even eliminate this?

Trees can be part of Farmer's superannuation plan! As cabinet high-value timber? Or as orchard production that produces extra income in farmer's markets or roadside stalls. Or out of the back of a ute as the fruit ripens.

Orchards are also trees where the fallen overripe fruit adds to the animal food source. As does native wisteria and some species of wattle.

Salt, frost and drought resistant, native wisteria could also power all the on-farm, diesel requirements, as well as finishing feedlots!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 November 2021 10:46:47 AM
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"Who knows what to believe these days"
You are quite correct ttbn, however whether we homo sapiens caused warming or whether, as I think, that we are just rapidly and dangerously exacerbating a natural process, we do ourselves no favours at all by overpopulating and over consuming this planet and continually polluting its atmosphere and Environment.
No Environment, no us.
Simple really.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 12:17:13 PM
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Disagree AB, the pachyderm in the room is that there are FAR TOO MANY People. Reduce the planet`s population to about 1/3 of what it is now and we stand a better chance of homo sapiens survival along with ALL other species with which we share.
How to do this remains the question but I suspect nature will sort that problem out because we certainly won`t.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 12:22:23 PM
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The stupidity of this article starts with the title: quite a lot of our food comes from trees.

Trying to bury CO2 deep underground is an idea that seemed to have a lot of potential in the 20th century, but by about a decade ago it became clear that it would be uneconomic. It's not the greens who are responsible for the continued wasting of government money on geosequestration; it's the COALition sucking up to the fossil fuel industry.

Biosequestration is, as Viv recognises, far more practical. But it's not as simple as it sounds, as the natural decay processes return much of the carbon to the atmosphere. Viv does acknowledge that further down the page, but seems oblivious to its significance here.

The idea that burning coal is carbon neutral on a sufficiently long timescale is at best dubious, as most of the world's coal formed before fungi evolved the ability to break down lignin.

The proportion of carbon sequestered into human bodies isn't most; it's minuscule. Likewise, the energy needed and emissions created in logging, chipping, transport and replanting forests is minuscule compared to the energy stored in the wood itself.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 1:55:16 PM
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Aiden. regenerative farming practises the world over, would of itself, reverse climate change. Trees store carbon whether horizontal or vertical and give it up again with decay or burning

And in soil, as the plough breaks it open.

ateday, well you can go take a running jump off of a very high cliff and we will have reduced the population by one!

Other than that and your cruel starvation solution, we can address this issue with the one solution that has never ever failed,i.e., lifting average incomes well above the poverty line and ensuring full female participation in higher education!

Starving folk out, has seen whole forests disappear as starving folk sort sustenance in every leaf, branch, root or game meat! Ethiopia reduced her northern forests to nothing, leaving a luna landscape, during the last famine!

Simply put, we can do better than your, inhumanity to man, feeble-minded, simplistic and cruel, final solution!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 November 2021 4:56:58 PM
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"Simply put, we can do better than your, inhumanity to man, feeble-minded, simplistic and cruel, final solution!"
Not mine, AB, Nature`s.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 5:09:29 PM
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"the slight increase in global atmospheric carbon dioxide has led to a significant expansion of forests, grasslands and crops and reduction of the world's deserts."
Not so..............
According to www.ecowatch.com
Deserts are expanding – every year they grow by an area around the size of Ireland. But it's not a natural process; it's manmade. Overgrazing, increasing agriculture, deforestation and a growing use of water are eroding the land. And it is particularly affecting parts of Africa, America or Asia.
All because of overpopulation.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 5:29:46 PM
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Incredible.
We all know that everything that lives dies.
We all know that any vegetable matter will die if not consumed by a herbivore, or an insect.
We all know that vegetable matter absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere.
We all know that dead vegetable matter will be consumed by a fungus or a microbe.
We all know that if consumed by a fungus or microbe all carbon in the matter will be released as carbon dioxide, or a product that returns quickly to carbon dioxide once in the atmopsphere.

If consumed by a herbivore this return to carbon dioxide will be delayed to some extent. Thus some of vegetable matter consumed by a herbivore will reach the atmosphere at a later date than otherwise. The fact that they belch has no bearing on this fact. Thus herbivores are good at reducing CO2 in the atmosphere.

However some of those religious fools, converted to the green religion refuse to admit this obvious simple fact, because it does not agree with their religious foolishness. Some even quote ratbag greeny "research" to disagree with the satellite record because satellites findings disprove their religions teaching.

With this ratbagery in the world, god help us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 9:00:35 PM
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"Ethiopia reduced her northern forests to nothing, leaving a luna landscape, during the last famine!"

Geez we should import more of these type of people Alan B.
This will surely solve all of our problems, after all the bean-counters demand growth.

We have to meet our 2050 immigration targets of 36 million Aussies.
Aussies / foreigners that is, because I'm not sure there's any difference nowadays.
Since the average Aussie is now a black man from Africa and a Chinese woman anyway...

And while I'm on that topic...
Anyone hear about the Chinese woman who won the Million dollar Covid lottery?
- Says she plans to use the money to bring the rest of her family from China over.

- You can't make this shite up -

I keep telling you all, the country's haddit,
The best is behind us, and it's all downhill from here.
Look at the idiots running the show and this should be apparent.

We may as well just raise the white flag and let the UN run the entire country from now on, after all the pollies only act like overpaid muppets anyway.
What's the point of democracy when the whole nation have become mindless bleating sheep anyway?

Under an attack of endless virtue signalling, by empowered tree-hugger army lead by a retarded girl named Greta, and mentally retarded University acolytes whose minds have been co-opted by their mentally retarded parochial masters with whatever 'nutty belief of the day' they come up with?

This country's haddit, and why?
We let foreigners dictate things, that's why.

This country was perfectly fine, and we all had pride in it.
- Before someone let the foreigners dictate everything.
(In the name of bs equality)

Australia sucks, nothing but a shadow of the place it one was.
Not a country anymore, merely just a place for foreigners to move to.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 11:21:23 PM
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Great stuff ateday.I have not found a single mention of population growth in Glasgow.The Obama type hypocrits with their huge levels of consumption must be laughing in private.
Posted by watersnake, Thursday, 11 November 2021 8:10:46 AM
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Well if the problem is over-population (hint: its not) then the 'problem' has already been solved.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate

Hurrah!
Next problem please.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 11 November 2021 10:22:51 AM
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