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Mountains of glass and pools of plastic? : Comments

By Ken Calvert, published 8/11/2021

The western world is being pressurised to reduce its use of disposable plastic at the same time as our news media tell us that 90% of the plastic in the sea comes out of 10 rivers in Asia and Africa.

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Same old same old. Just like we have the lowest CO2 emissions, but we have to ruin our economies to reduce them even more, while the big emitters do as they please.

The "have nots" are beyond help, especially now that the "haves" are accused, non-stop, of neo-colonialism, racism, and every other ism. It's time for the West to attend to its own business and leave the rest to themselves
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 November 2021 9:06:36 AM
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I would have thought that your post is showing that the Africans and Asians are dirty, polluting buggers who dump their rubbish into rivers which empty into the sea? How is that the fault of the west?

Another Critical Race Theory man. Blame the white guys for everything.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 8 November 2021 9:59:31 AM
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Almost anything can be recycled if the energy required is truly affordable! And that ain't coal-fired power! Nor power supplied by foreign nationals nor incompetent and possibly corrupt state governments looking after themselves and money-hungry cronies!? Who use our (price gouged) power systems as their personal ATMs to fill gaping fiscal gaps, created by incompetence? Or much of the foregoing?

If we cannot get truly affordable energy!? Then we cannot afford to recycle all that we could actually recycle, creating large pockets of regional and rural prosperity as part and parcel of such projects.
And minus money churning subsidies that end up costing someone somewhere the unmentionable, deleted expletive, earth!

If you will not continence SAFE, CLEAN, AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE, DISPATCHABLE MSR thorium nuclear power, owned and operated by various co-ops? Then just shelve unsubsidized profitable recycling projects until you do/will/can!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 8 November 2021 11:28:26 AM
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Oh Dear it is all so depressing. Even if all scientists announced
that we had it all wrong and CO2 has almost no effect on temperature,
the demand for co2 suppression would continue and more COPnnn conferences
would be held. It all has its own momentum.
Not until maintenance starts to fail would financial stringency force
the cancellation of subsidies and subsequently less maintenance will
cause repeated daily load shedding.
As in network theory it will all suddenly collapse.

What's the bet that the greenies will blame the coal barons ?
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 8 November 2021 10:08:31 PM
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Mining only works when you have a concentrated ore body. With recycling you could not have a more scattered ore body, & much of it is so contaminated it is basically worthless & useless.

We should save the huge amount of energy wasted on so called recycling, & stop pandering to the idealistic, but totally impractical greenies. Recycling is merely another of the schemes their leaders use as expensive red herrings designed to punish us for our living standards.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 12:04:44 AM
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The best statement gleaned from this article is the fact that 90% of plastics/glass comes from 10 Asian rivers. Sweet fanny adams is being done there to manage this ( they don't care). So why the heck are we punishing ourselves over the other 10% in the West? WE try to recycle with recycling bins that raise our council rates, we must pay an extra 10c for a can of soda which can cost as little as 60c at aldi ( ie 10+ % increase). Sure we can collect it an drive many kms to the pay to recycle shops to recoup it... but its a real hassle, particularly when we could just put them in our recycling bins!

Sure we don't want waste, but when will the average citizen stop being the whipping boy for greenie "holier-than thou nazis".
Posted by Alison Jane, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 7:21:21 AM
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Can somebody please explain why CO2 would keep heat in, at 420 PPM, but not keep heat out?
It would also be appreciated if somebody could explain how CO2 at 420 PPM can keep heat in; it seems to me to be like trying to retain heat with a net?
I would also love to know whether or not CO2 is evenly spread through our atmosphere or does it hang over the polluters, and how sea levels in the Pacific can be effected by glaciers melting in the Arctic, but the sea levels around Australia are not effected.
Posted by C A White, Townsville, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 9:29:06 AM
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That is what puzzled the clever people at the Coastal Institute at
Auckland Uni. They found the Islands were not drowning after all.
Could somebody be lying ? Surely not !
Isn't demanding money falsely a criminal offense ?
Wouldn't saying we will turn up on your doorstep if you do not pay.
Demanding with menaces ?

Isn't saying shut down your coal power stations or we will tax you
and/or put import duties on your exports, also demanding money with menaces.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 1:29:32 PM
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I can see that the move to "renewable" energy will keep going on its
present path, ie more solar cell, more wind farms and more batteries
for backup.
What WILL happen blackouts will become more frequent and a panic
program to install more solar cells, wind turbines and batteries
will be undertaken, making China rich and us poor until the penny drops;

We cannot afford this, we are trying to beat a formula with an expotential component.
As the geographical area of the grid renewables becomes smaller the
amount of renewables needed increases exponentially.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 2:03:11 PM
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None of these clowns threatening to not buy from us buy any of our products from the goodness of their heart, if they have one.

They buy from us because our quality is high, our priced are good, we are a reliable supplier, & they have a real need for what we are selling. Right now the UK & Germany are wishing they had been smart to buy a couple of very big heaps of our coal.

China stopped deliveries of our coal in an attempt to punish us. Not only did they punish themselves with power supply disruptions, but they are having to buy lots of our coal, through intermediary at a much higher price.

If Morrison can hold his nerve, we will have most of these clowns fighting over our coal in the very near future. With their new war on meat, it won't be long before they are begging us for that too.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 2:39:56 PM
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