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Net zero needs nuclear power, Prime Minister : Comments

By Graham Young, published 21/10/2021

Morrison also needs a strong national economy to complement his defence effort, and you cannot build a strong economy on an expensive power source that only turns up when it

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Have a look at a night photo Google Earth at night & where you see lights there are the people you should ask to curb their excesses.
Where I live the satellite cameras don't pick up any glow.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 21 October 2021 9:41:13 PM
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Anyone who thinks Nuclear is an answer doesn't understand the question...

There is no emissions reduction with out a massive curtailing of demand side,

Is NOT possible with nuclear short of magical thinking, look at Finland's Olkiluoto for an idea of why, a brownfields nuclear plant, 30 years in the building and its still not working and that's ONE plant next to two that are working. The most recent US plant that took 50 years and they finally closed it down and gave up. Then look to Sellafield (renamed after the nuc disaster) for an idea of the cost of pulling one down.

We have all the Sun we need for Solar and pumped hydro storage all
As Wikipedia tell you "Of the 253 nuclear power reactors originally ordered in the United States from 1953 to 2008, 48 percent were cancelled, 11 percent were prematurely shut down, 14 percent experienced at least a one-year-or-more outage, and 27 percent are operating without having a year-plus outage. Thus, only about one fourth of those ordered, or about half of those completed, are still operating and have proved relatively reliable."

over the place (ocean with a cliff, like they do in Japan) All that empty land near the old Jackson Oilfields with infrastructure in place. That combined with a significant energy cut to the richest 20% (who make most of the emissions) and the issue is solved.
Posted by Valley Guy, Thursday, 21 October 2021 9:59:15 PM
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mhaze,
Fairy dust is nothing more than an audio effect - like a long echo changing pitch. And whether you believe that or not has absolutely no correlation with what you know about the capability of renewables. Which is very little, because you're letting personal incredulity keep you from seeing the truth, and flinging around ad hominems in a pathetic attempt to keep others as ignorant as you are.

I don't know where you get your 80% figure from, but I think it's out of date and 'm wondering if it excludes rooftop solar. AIUI renewables (including rooftop solar) generated more than a third of Australia's electricity over the past month.

Closing 2/3 of coal stations by 2035 is a woefully inadequate target, and there's no reason to believe the slack won't be picked up by renewables. Rare earths are not as rare as you think they are, and many batteries don't use them anyway.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 22 October 2021 1:06:13 AM
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Big news, they thought they had dug up the Worlds dumbest dinosaur fossil in a coal seam in Queensland yesterday. It turned out to be nothing more than Barnyard Barney, he was just taking one of his regular 20 year naps.

mhaze show me some evidence Truman wasn't a conservative, like all Yankee Presidents before and after. American politics is a two headed monster, the fact one head is on the right and the other head is on the left makes no difference, they both will drop bombs on people.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 October 2021 6:41:02 AM
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Valley Guy,

If you want to be taken seriously don't post bogus information as facts. Olkiluoto #3 was only started in 2005 and the delays were due to changes in regulations that required a redesign. This new reactor is reaching completion and short of any bureaucratic meddling will start in early 2022 and produce roughly 20% of Finland's electrical power.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 22 October 2021 7:48:35 AM
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Paul,

"show me some evidence Truman wasn't a conservative,"

Yes, yes, I forgot. To an old red ragger such as Paul, anyone to the right of Trotsky is a conservative.

Aidan,

"I don't know where you get your 80% figure from...."

http://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/Australian%20Energy%20Statistics%202020%20Energy%20Update%20Report_0.pdf

(go to table 3.2 page 28.)

That you are unaware of that gives some perspective to your constant assertions that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant of the facts.

At the end of the day, we can have as much renewable as we are prepared to pay for. But as those costs continue to escalate and as the inefficiency of renewables begins to bite, the revolt will similarly escalate.

This is of course the story behind the Nationals determination to ensure the costs are borne equally before signing up for nett zero. Last time around, (Kyoto) the nation luxuriated in sorta, kinda meeting its self-imposed obligations by moving the costs to the regions. If the costs bite in inner-city Sydney/Melbourne, the enthusiasm for nett zero will evaporate rather rapidly.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 22 October 2021 9:14:49 AM
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