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The State versus the individual : Comments

By Sonia Bowditch, published 18/8/2021

They make us stay at home because we’re at risk of (nay, at war with) COVID, but their tunnel vision is putting us at greater risk of many other deadly things.

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What I am finding interesting is that the same people who are causing a fuss about 'discrimination' against them because of their refusal to get vaccinated were happy to vote against same sex marriage.

Indeed the same lot who are saying a business should have had the right to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple are now saying businesses shouldn't have the right to refuse to serve the unvaccinated.

This article smacks of the same.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 5:46:34 PM
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SteeleRedux,
Placing the Homosexuals in the same basket as Covid-19 is an insult to the Chinese Lab technicians !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 22 August 2021 6:57:42 PM
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I am coming late to comment on this article, but from the comments, I can not let it pass. Ms Bowditch has made some vary valid and pertinent points in her article. For this, she has been attacked by a number of people who really seem extremely frightened by the truth.
Many of those commenting often try to claim the superior knowledge level. Often claiming to have above average intelligence and objective thinking abilities.
Here many seem to have lost all of those abilities.
When the Federal Minister for Health, Mr Greg Hunt, stood up in the House of Representatives and said "If you don't get vaccinated, you will catch Covid and die". His level of misunderstanding and misrepresentation was at a level that when going the other way, has had people's accounts in Twitter, Facebook and Youtube suspended.
A quick look at the numbers as presented on a daily basis by the respective Premiers, Chief Health Officers, Ministers for Health and Deputy Premiers prove him very wrong on both points.
Globally, the numbers as presented by Worldometer show that no where have the overall numbers of people in any country testing positive for Covid 19 and it's variants been greater than 20% of the population with the majority under 10%. Australia comes in at under 0.3%.
That's not exactly "catch covid".
"And die"? Even on the worst cases, the deaths have been less than 10% of those who have contracted the virus. Australia presently sits at less than 0.2%. See the irresponsible hyperbole?
More to come.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Monday, 30 August 2021 8:48:28 PM
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Continuing.
Is Covid-19 widespread through the community?
It certainly has never met the Dictionary definition of "pandemic" in Australia. Widespread? No, no State has it disseminated widely across the whole of the State (even now as NSW is having clusters turn up in western towns, it is not spread throughout the communities, but restricted to specific social demographs), usually it has been found only within about a 25 km radius of the respective CBDs with individual cases popping up elsewhere from people from within those CBDs and even here, it seems unable to infect more than a handful of immediate victims.
The other part of the definition includes "serious", as in causing much greater than normal hospitalisations and deaths. Not doing very well at meeting that criteria either as in Australia, the recovery rate is over 50% with a death rate of less than 0.2%. I'll say that again "less than zero point two percent".
But the daily numbers confirm that it's been spreading rampantly through the communities. No, it hasn't. The numbers as usually given at the daily press conferences by the respective Premiers, Chief Health Officers, Ministers for Health and the Deputy Premiers confirm that this is not happening.
Remember that those who are eligible for testing are from a narrow cohort of "probables". People who are claiming at least two or more of the possible symptoms, people who have been in direct contact with a confirmed positive case, or people who have been in the immediate vicinity of confirmed positive cases. And yet, even at the worst in NSW, the number testing positive was less than 0.3%. Typically before they rolled into such a high number, it had been less than 0.2%.
If you were in business and your advertising at a specific target audience of probable customers and you were getting a response of such a low level. you'd withdraw and reassess your strategy.
And when the positives are found, greater than 50% of them are coming from clearly defined social and cultural groups.
To continue:
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Monday, 30 August 2021 9:25:44 PM
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Continued:
There have been over 31 million tests carried out in Australia. These tests do not come cheap. I'm estimating that each test will be costing over $100 a time. That is a lot of money going into the pathology services. That's a milk teat that no-one will want to relinquish.
And as even the developer of the rt-PCR test emphasized, it was never intended to be used in this manner and can be set up to give a positive almost on demand.
The SARS-Cov-2 virus is not a "beast", it's not a sentient being. It has no sense of being, it has no sense of destiny, it is an opportunist blowing in the wind, easily killed by exposure to the UV of sunlight, desiccation in dry environments and cell disruption when intercepted by most disinfectants and bleaches.
The un-vaccinated do not pose any danger to the vaccinated. The vaccinated pose a greater danger to themselves and others as they may be asympomatically carrying the virus without being aware of it. It is imperative on them to behave in a socially responsible manner if they genuinely care about the health of the community.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Monday, 30 August 2021 9:26:46 PM
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