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Disputes over diversity equity and inclusion depend on how you define fairness : Comments

By Eric Silver and John Iceland, published 2/6/2021

Let's start with a premise that everyone would agree with: Racial inequality persists across many dimensions.

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No, John and Eric. Western people do not need to "strike a balance" between those advocating competition and those demanding a free kick. Western free market economics is based upon competition where the best candidate is supposed to win. If we want to go the way of left wing socialism and pretend that all races are equal, then those advocating racial equality had better come up with an explanation as to why dysfunctional minorities are always dysfunctional and most of them inhabit the lowest classes of society.

Of course, the socialists have done just that by claiming that the very clear differences in social outcomes displayed between races is because the rotten white people have manipulated the system to the disadvantage of the dysfunctional minorities. Which is complete and utter malarkey.

The sad fact is that mother nature is no egalitarian. People, and groups of people, are born with differing levels of intelligence, different personalities, different conceptions of beauty, and different athletic abilities. And while some of these qualities can be improved upon by culture, in the main, people are born that way. No amount of education can make a basically low intelligence person into a Mensa. Or Magda Szubanski into a supermodel.

Therefore, different groups of people, within races between classes, will have different social outcomes. And no amount of social engineering is going to change that. All it will do is to create distortions in efficiency as people are chosen on the basis of their minority status instead of proven ability. And it will create resentment from the smarter elements in society (the productive people our society depends upon) who know that they are being shafted by an unfair system set up to buy dysfunctional minority votes. And that they are being discriminated against solely upon the basis of their race by people claiming that they are anti racist.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 4:53:01 PM
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Hi LEGO,

You are far too naive & idealistic. It's worse than that.

Before 1972 ALL Australian people were doing better, because our education system actually educated or improved young Australians from ALL walks of life.

The ruling, leftist elites who hate, loathe & despise competition have been dumbing down the proletariat for decades.

The most sensible, intelligent people on Australian soil have not been breeding. EVERY year Australia has been getting dumb & dumber. The entire planet is going that way.

The Arts & Entertainment industry; Advertising & Public Relations industry; Fashion industry; Media industry & Education industry have successfully boganised Australia.

Every generation under the age of about 65 has been getting progressively worse than the year before.

Reversing this trend will be a massive task, IF we begin immediately.

It will take decades to repair, recover, rehabilitate or de-program these damaged brains.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 6:12:47 PM
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I am hardly naive and idealistic, imacentristmoderate, if I agree with nearly everything you have written. I would just point out that you seem to have gone off on a tangent from what this topic was originally about.

Eric and John submitted both sides of the argument about the thorny issue for the reason for the differing outcomes for differing races in western society. The leftist view, is that they take for granted that all races are equal. Therefore, if inequality exists within western society, it is because of white privilege. And this can only be corrected by giving minority groups more rights and privileges than whites. It is an argument meant to appeal to those dysfunctional groups of low intelligence who resent the fact that they are not smart enough to compete with the brainer races, and who are looking for special privileges to be "more equal."

The liberal right wing view is that equality is supposed to mean exactly that. That everybody in society should be treated equally in regards to education and to examinations. And promotions should be based upon results and merit, regardless of race.

Instead of taking one position or the other, both Eric and John squibbed out, and they tried and failed to reconcile two diametrically opposed arguments.

The dumbing down of the Australian curriculum by the long haired men and short haired women in our education departments is deliberate. With it blindingly obvious that no matter what the ethnic makeup of any particular classroom is, that the students of some races will usually excel, while students from other races will usually fail academically and be a pain in the ass when it comes to unacceptable behaviour. Since leftist social theory considers that racial equality is as immutable as the law of gravity, this outcome is an unwelcome reminder that their ideology could do with a bit of work. But they will never accept that races could be different. They would rather dumb every smart kid down than admit that the dysfunctional minorities they champion are a bit short in the brains department
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 7:10:05 PM
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Yes as the feminists took over the education they quickly dumbed down the math & physics courses so the girls could compete. Then the lefties got into the act & removed most of the hard stuff. We get dumbies coming out of high schools today.

40 years ago a kid coming out of year 10, [Queensland] with math 1 & 2 passes could easily handle the math required in an electrical apprenticeship. Today kids coming out of year 12 with math A & B, [the same stuff theoretically] are not capable of doing the same apprenticeship.

A high school math teacher friend of ours was unhappy in the school system, & decided to change to running remedial math courses for many doing things like Environmental Sciences courses at university. Many of these kids had taken the easy route of "business" math at high school, & had no chance of handling even the simple stuff in Environmental Sciences.

He then found many with good passes in math A B & C could not handle what was expected in science & engineering courses. More work for his remedial courses.

Then the TAFE heard about him. He is now running courses for 3 TAFE, who found even kids doing building courses needed better math than high school had given them.

He tells us that most kids even with VHA, [very high achiever], passes in math could not make change for a bus ticket without a calculator to work it out.

We have universities full of girls who could not have passed the selection criteria 15 years ago, & bachelor degrees not worth the paper they are printed on. If we don't get back to merit based selection in all things, god help us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 10:37:12 PM
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Hi LEGO,

Didn't really think you were too naive & idealistic...

But i wonder whether we will be able to turn the "Good Ship Australia" away from the iceberg it is heading towards at the moment, or whether it is already too late.

If i could afford to, i would be moving to Switzerland or America who have not yet, slid down the slippery slope as far, or as fast as Australia has.

Also don't think i was really off on a tangent either. The stupification or boganisation of Australia is the primary cause of ALL our inequality.

When i was in primary school ONLY one child out of 120 to 150 children in each year for 7 years ever failed & was held back to repeat one year. NOBODY ever got less than a C average. The overwhelming majority of children were B or A students.

It was common for poor children to do well at QLD state primary schools & get scholarships to GPS High schools & tertiary education.

NOT anymore.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:50:54 AM
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When I was at school imacentristmoderate, country NSW late 50s, our 350 pupil high school had only 12 kids in 5Th year. There was no point going past 3Rd year, intermediate certificate, as it provided everything most needed. Only those planning on university or teachers college went higher.

Of those 12 only one stayed in town, going into the family business. Of the rest, 3 of us got private company scholarships to university, 2 got teacher scholarships to university, 2 were family funded to university, & the rest went to teachers college.

It is rather telling that 40% of the kids with the highest scholastic ability became teachers. Perhaps this alone gave us much better teachers than we get today.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:44:36 PM
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