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The battle of the narratives of origin : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 14/10/2020

Doubt about the veracity of biblical texts could have been ameliorated if English scholars were not so blind to German biblical research.

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It would appear that we no longer need to rely on eugenics to reduce the lower class numbers, Covid-19 is doing it for us.
Isn't about time that you and your ilk grasped the fact that Man has made God in his image and not the other way around and that God is merely a product of Man's imagination.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 10:01:34 AM
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This essay provides a unique Illuminated Understanding of the purpose "creation myths". http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/creamyth.html

By the way there are quite literally hundreds if not thousands of creation myths from every known culture.

This reference describes how we Westerners who are now all trapped in the all encompassing left-brained spirit-killing mindset/paradigm are incapable of understanding that all of the old "myths" were based on an essentially shamanism perception that the world is a psycho-physical Process.
http://www.adidam.org/teaching/gnosticon/religion-scientism
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 12:01:59 PM
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Peter, you're asking fundamental fanatics and politicians interpreting text, making laws etc! To think logically, rationally!

I fancy you'd have a better chance of digging a huge hole in the dry beach and well over the high tide mark, then taking a bucket and going back and forth, pouring water into the hole! And thereby, emptying the entire ocean into it!

While some text may have a grain of truth!? It's clear that much of it is invention, given much of it reflects the (the sky will fall) social mores (pure superstition) and norms of the culture and period from which it sprung!

Truth has to be founded on irrefutable fact! Not fantasy and pure fiction, designed to exert and enrich control and swell Papal coffers!

I mean, Popes with armies and navies, the Spanish inquisition, the burning of Saint Joan at the stake, ditto the alleged witches of Salem and far, far worse! And little more then the point of the tip of a very large, absolutely outrageous allegorical iceberg!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 14 October 2020 12:28:09 PM
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Alan et al. Speaking of popes, did anyone notice that in greeting Cardinal Pell, Pope Francis held out his hand, not for Pell to kiss his ring, but for Pell to just shake his hand, which he did rather awkwardly.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 1:43:16 PM
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I enjoy Peter Sellicks essays. But his eloquent attempts at explaining it away fail.
Matthew 7:13-14. Enter at the straight gate, because most simply wont get it!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 3:07:04 PM
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I really enjoyed that book and was glad to visit Darwin, makes one think.

A local scrap monger arrived at Pearly Gates and St. Peter says 'wait a minute until I check with The Boss', when he returned the gates were gone.
Posted by RunninRib, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 4:10:08 PM
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Peter,

I enjoy your writing style, but your articulation smothers your presuppositions. In this short piece, you tried to 'trick' us into believing Darwin's view of the origin of the universe was correct, affirmed by cosmologists. You might learn that in your liberal Anglican theological college but it takes more than a few sentences to unpack and then refute.

Then you want us to swallow your line that the veracity of the biblical texts would have been supported if we followed the Wellhausen research, Source Criticism (SC), of 1878. When will you get it? The Graf-Wellhausen SC Documentary Hypothesis (JEDP for authorship of the Pentateuch) has been refuted over and over but your liberal theology keeps on keeping on.

There is internal evidence in the Pentateuch to demonstrate Mosaic authorship and not the 4-source Graf-Wellhausen theory. Space does not permit my going into these, except to say that a serious fallacy of the Hypothesis is that it assumes no part of the Torah was written before the middle of the 9th century BC. This would be the time of the Exile of the Israelites. This flies in the face of archaeological evidence of the last century.

If you continue to promote this kind of theology in your diocese, don't expect people to flock to your churches. Your views cause people to doubt the authority of Scripture. For a better assessment, I think it's time for you to engage in discussions with the faculty of Moore College, Sydney, and examine how the Sydney diocese is preventing the kind of decline of your churches.
Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 15 October 2020 8:16:39 AM
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Yep.
It’s unknown to me if liberalism came as a consequence of the decline of Christian religious attachment, or whether it precipitated the decline.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:29:02 PM
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From my observations, Christianity or rather the behaviour of many Christians has caused its decline.
Progressives parading as Christians have exploited the good will & forgiveness factor of Christianity & ruined it for all.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 15 October 2020 6:30:13 PM
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Dan,

<<It’s unknown to me if liberalism came as a consequence of the decline of Christian religious attachment, or whether it precipitated the decline.>>

It's time for you to do some serious research.

See: 'Albert Mohler: Theological liberalism is not Christianity', http://decisionmagazine.com/albert-mohler-theological-liberalism-is-not-christianity/

One of the assessments by Mohler is: 'With theological liberalism, the world is happy and Christians starve. And eventually, the world ignores you and Christians leave. Look at the liberal denominations. They’re being abandoned. They’re plotting their own extinction. Look at how many of the denominations that have gone liberal are now just barely skeletons of what had existed before.

'We need to recognize that theological liberalism is the message of theological death. And there were those who saw this when the liberals first started teaching and preaching—orthodox Christians who understood that theological liberalism was not a new form of Christianity; it was an entirely new religion claiming to be Christianity'.

So, theological liberalism comes first and that leads to spiritual death. Dr Gresham Machen has documented how this happened at Princeton Theological Seminary in Christianity and Liberalism (now public domain) at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Liberalism.
Posted by OzSpen, Friday, 16 October 2020 5:22:38 PM
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