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Climate and the US election : Comments

By John Avery, published 10/9/2020

Why did Prof. Noam Chomsky call the US Republican Party 'The most dangerous organization in the history of the world'?

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like those who push the totally irrational evolution myth we have the same characters telling climate lies. If this prof believed half the nonsense he sprouted he would be criticising China and India. But like all those suffering tds they hate the depth of the putried swamp being exposed.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 September 2020 11:12:15 AM
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The moment I hear the term neo-fascist, then I know we have a left whinge Moron.

This idiot also forgets that China churns out roughly 50% more than the USA.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 10 September 2020 12:01:55 PM
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We have always had climate change! The sun waxes ( warms up) and the joint warms up! The ice retreats and sea levels rise. Then in around a 200 year cyclical cycle, it wanes (cools) and the joint cools and the ice once again advances and sea levels drop! And thus is has been for millennia.

What you don't get is a massive ice melt/retreat and sea level risings, a melting tundra and massive methane gas releases during a waning (cooling) phase. The highest record temperature in Siberia was, according to the article, 38C during june 2020. And the second hottest year on record was 2017 during a La Nina phase. And already well into a waning phase!

A waning phase we've been in since the mid-seventies (NASA). Even if we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, the levels will still rise. It' not just fossil fuels that create CO2 bt all carbon-based life forms. Humans, domestic animals etc.

What to do? Adapt and be dammed? Put with increasingly extreme weather events/wildfires etc., and insurance policies that send you bankrupt?

Build everything underground? Grow everything underground? Hold our tournaments in concrete covered weatherproof stadiums and creat an unparalleled demand for electricity that beggars belief! TBC.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 September 2020 12:02:01 PM
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Dear Ian McClintock,

You claim “95.7% of the increase is from well explained natural causes”.

I would like you to explain for us 'fools' what natural process you think has driven the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere from around 310 ppm in 1960 to near 410 ppm today.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 September 2020 2:29:28 PM
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The coal Lobby don't have an arguement? Resort, like the feeble-minded, to just labelling everyone they disagree with as lefty or liars. And without a shred of evidence to back those feeble-minded claims.

Yes, water vapour does contribute to stored heat, acts like a blanket to trap heat, as does humidity!

CO2 traps infrared heat, which is not insignificant. It also produces the greenhouse effect which is more luxuriant growth and moisture aspiration,i.e., the Greenhouse Effect. And contributes to the acidification of our oceans which are the lungs of the planet.

The irony is, we do not need to burn Fossil fuel. We can make all the fuel we'll ever need from seawater. And by removing the CO2,i.e., carbon content by just removing it in vaccuum towers then compressing and recompressing to make a liquid we can combine with liquid plasma, i.e., liquid hydrogen. The well-known frash process.

And make any endlessly sustainable liquid hydrocarbon transport fuel in whatever quantity we want or need, as alternatives for diesel or Jet fuel to mention a couple and plastics and fertilizer as well.

Interestingly, as we draw down oceanic CO2 levels the ocean absorbs more and more directly from the atmosphere!

The missing element and resisted with fundamental fervour, is truly affordale energy. (MSR thorium) So cheap that the fossi fuel industry cannot compete, that puts big nuclear out of business and decimates the profits of big pharma and all the roober barons currently sucking the economic life out of our's and many other economies! And the only reason we don't yet have it?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 10 September 2020 2:34:43 PM
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The popular statements on this are mainly one cycle based.
However it is not that simple.
J. Kauppinen & P. Malmi of Turku University in Finland and two others
at Kobe University have proposed the following.
There are THREE different cycles involved each with its own cyclic period.
1. The Milanovitch cycles involving the earths elliptical orbit and
the earths elliptical path around the sun.
The rotation of that ellipse around the sun.
Perhaps also some effect from Jupiter.

2. The variation in the radiance of the sun.
3. The eleven year cycle of sunspots.
4. A variation in the maximum sunspot intensity.

So there are possibly five different cycles going on.
None of them linked together.
Based on the above it seems that the maximum warming was about late
1990s according to the Turku & Kobe University teams.
The cycle could of course have a wide near flat top.
The warming time seems to vary between 1000 years and approx 500 years.
We now appear to be about to start on a cooling time to reach a
minimum in about 600 years time.

When all these cycles line up with a maximum sunspot period of perhaps
10 sunspot cycles each being very active at their peak the disturbance
of the earth magnetic field diverts more cosmic rays away from
entering the atmosphere.
Withe less cosmic rays entering fewer clouds are formed and so the
earth umbrella is partially removed and the earth gets a bit warmer.

A technique using Fourier analysis that extracts your data from your
noisy wifi signal is used to detect the time of maximum warming and cooling.

This is the explanation for the Roman, Medieval and our warming
periods and the Dark Ages cold period and the Maunder Minimum.
The author J Kauppinen was an IPCC penal member until his retirement
last year.
I cannot find the names of the Japanese scientists at Kobe University
at the moment but I am sure if you are interested you will find them.

https://tinyurl.com/y23a6nev
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 10 September 2020 5:10:23 PM
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