Thanks for the article David Pellowe it's a step in the right direction.

I think that the Liberal Party has moved left in recent years. I think the ousting of Turnbull and the retiring of Payne signals some small hope for Traditional Australia. But I think that Howard had his share of socially liberal policies such as high immigration- but perhaps more to control wages than for socially liberal ones- but it's effect was the same on the "Overton Window" of acceptable discussion.

Howard was mistrusted by his colleagues for a long time before he became Liberal Leader- I suspect that this was due to- for the time- his liberal policies. Now we look back and see his leadership as tame compared to today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

The problems in the Liberal party stem from the historical ideological differences between the Industrialists and the Traditional Royalists essentially. New money vs old money. When the old money allowed the new money too much freedom they took over- if we don't get back the power from those that only have allegiance to money there is little hope for the future of Australia.

There is some argument that there should be a Traditional Party in Australia and some have tried but it is very hard to create a new brand. Perhaps there could be some change to the party from within.

The Communists are well known for entryism- perhaps that's the reason behind Payne.

Many on the left are socially liberal but economically conservative

There are some people that are social and economically liberal- perhaps that's where Payne fits in.

There are also 2 other possibilities-

1. Socially Conservative and Economically Liberal
2. Socially and Economically Conservative

What on earth is this bloke on?

The Liberal Party is under threat from hard right religious groups attempting to branch stack, and this character thinks supporting a moderate like Biden over a pussy grabbing, pornstar bedding, lecherous, corrupt, incompetent like the current swamp dweller President is betraying Liberal Party or even Christian values?

What an idiotic position.

It is people like him ho are poisoning our body politic and we really should be running the lot of them out of the country. Let them go live in Trump's America rather than stuffing up what we have here.

The Liberal party is now a true, lefty liberal party; it's living up to the name. The next thing we know it will join up with Labor and we'll have a one party state. Bejing will be ever so pleased.

SteeleRedux, Your comment on Biden and rant against Trump demonstrate that you naively swallow the crap from Their Green Bee Cee and other mainstream media that are stuffing our country. Trump stands out amongst international Leaders in calling out the climate crazies on megafires. It's unbelievable that so many hundreds of people are dying and so many thousands of homes are being incinerated as a consequence of lefty greenie bs. If Biden gets up, i hope you go over there to your allegedly moderate utopia and suffer it.

John Howard is a skunk.

Actually, he is even worse than that: a lawyer.

Dear Little,

Trump stands out as the most demented of Western leaders by a long shot. The only one he truly felt at home with paid for bounties to be placed on US troops.
http://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/trump-smiles.jpg?w=800&quality=85

And do you really think record temperatures have nothing to do with mega fires?

Listen mate, you have drunk great tankards of coolaid, as such having a rational discussion with you about your president is unlikely to change your addled brain, but you really do need to remember this moment in time because you will one day be denying to others that you ever supported such a dismal human being.