Gee, Alon. Do you think that the real reason why minority deaths from the CCP virus exceed the proportion of "white" deaths, might be because the whites and Asians are smarter, take social distancing seriously, and take better care of their health? I went into my local chew and spew fast food shop recently and I saw every customer practicing social distancing, with the exception of a large group of Arabs who had pulled chairs together at the tables and obviously did not give a stuff about whether they spread the CCP virus or not. They simply ignored the disapproving stares of the other customers.

But once more we see the determination of the liberal left to portray every human problem affecting dysfunctional minorities as a factor of white oppression and minority victimisation. I am a bit puzzled here, Alon? If white society is so damned bad and oppressive, why are millions of dysfunctional people from dysfunctional countries doing their damnbness to barge into white societies? So much so, we have to put up fences to try and keep them out?

And why is it that wherever these dysfuncnal minorities settle in white societies, they become a welfare, crime, and terrorism problem? So much so, that this causes "white flight" where the whites who pay the bills of welfare need to flee their former suburbs to get away from the high taxes imposed upon them by minority grovelling politicians, who use the white taxes to buy the minority welfare vote? They also flee to protect their children and get away from the crime and social problems the dysfunctional minorities inevitably bring with them?

But we know how your uppity academic caste think. You despise the western working class for being too smart to accept your socialist totalitarian utopias, so you need to import people into western societies who are dumb enough to accept it. And like Pol Pot or the Taliban, you don't care if you destroy the world's most successful economic and political system, as long as you get to rehash again, your already failed year zero social experiment.

Lego, what about reality that income inequality may mean that poorer groups (which includes more coloured people) live in much greater population density in terms of size of apartment.

Is it not possible that unfair health system may also disadvantage lower income groups in terms of getting to hospital for treatment.

A lack of access may have even prevented many from going there.

Also, with many poor families unable to pay bills in New York, they had their water cut of prior to the coronavirus, despite freeze on such closures during virus outbreak.

Was not the spread of cholera in western cities many years ago also caused by poor living conditions and lack of space

Black racists and agitators say that they get a raw deal. But do they really, or or do they bring it on themselves? It seems that weak whites are doing the 'believe them thing' as they do with claims of sexual harassment by compensation-seeking tarts. The US has had a black president; there are black millionaires, black mayors, black policemen, black high ranking military officers - black all sorts. How are they different from the rest, who are always complaining, always committing crimes and rioting and looting?

There is nothing to indicate that President Trump is a racist, nor that the Republican Party has any "antipathy towards the black community". That's just what it suits people like this author and the rest of the Marxist anarchists to believe. Heaven forbid that people should be required to get off their arses and look after themselves like everyone else. It is much easier to call people who can manage their lives 'racist'.

In 2013, a typical year for the US, 2,491 black Americans were murdered. In 2,245 of those cases, the murderers were also black Americans. It seems that Black Lives Matter only when they are taken by white people.

Chris.

Lego is unashamedly an ideolog. Your weak point is always that you deny your own weakness.

As a Doctor, you have a responsibility towards precision the majority of the rest of us don't need to possess. Off is spelt with two f's.

Cheers

Dan

Thanks Dan.

I thought my bio admits it is impossible to know it all in such a complex world.

I will have to lift my game.

I was merely suggesting to Lego that there are other reasons why coronavirus havinga bigger impact on cetain commununities, reasons that both Lego and author may choose to note

Agree with most of this, Alon. And can only add, so a you sow, so also shall you reap!

The republicans and the zealots of the religious right are the authors of their own divide and rule, initiated, imbecilic, demise!

Wait for the usual abusive bully boy response as they see the truth they always choose to avoid!

That said some republicans have had a belly full and will now queue to remove the cancer at the centre of this diabolic, debacle.
Alan B.

We're not born racists/bigots! But have to learn it from those already warped and intellectually crippled by these asinine absurdities

Moreover, no racial group is immune! There are bigots and prejudice everywhere and in all cultures!

Just look at the pig's breakfast in the Middle East/the religion of peace!

Those taking to the streets need to go home and save their justified rage for the next Federal election!

And then vote for, non establishment change! Or alternatively, just wear the consequences of the same old, business as usual and a new great depression!
Alan B.

Alan b

'As you sow, so shall you reap'.

That applies to everyone equally.

It is all about self responsibility. It is not about shifting blame onto others for your own predicament.

So please don't use this to tell me it only applies to affluent blacks and whites in a society where opportunity is equal.

This adage also applies to the seemingly 'poor', the uneducated, the looters, rioters and anarchists ... black and white.

The vast majority of Americans, black and white, are reaping what generations have sown.
The US is the most developed economy with the greatest shared wealth and with the best education system. All these afford free choice and opportunity to all its citizens.

That's what they have sown and most who take advantage of the opportunities afforded are reaping their rewards.

The anarchists will reap theirs.

Dear Chris Lewis.

Of course the fact that poor people tend to live in sub standard accommodation adds to the fact that poor people are more likely to get the CCP virus. But your logic is putting the cart before the horse.

Alon ben Meir is pandering to the low self image of the poor minorities themselves by claiming that the fact that they get the CCP virus at a greater rate than whites, proves that white western free market democracies are inherently racist towards minorities. The minorities are therefore suffering from white victimisation. Such a racist premise has great appeal to the dumbest in society who never want to accept that any of their misfortunes are their own fault. They need to believe that they are victims.

Alon is Jewish, and as a Jew, he knows that Hitler blamed the Jews for the misfortunes of the German people. So he definitely appreciates that what he is proposing is self evident racism towards white people. The question is therefore, which of two racist explanations for minority dysfunction is correct?

Poor people live closer together than richer people, but what makes poor people poor so that they need to live that way?

I would like to submit my own racist premise that poverty is primarily a factor caused by low intelligence. And if certain always dysfunctional minorities are always a problem in whichever country they live in, it is reasonable to conclude that their collective IQ's are lower than other races. This was conclusively proven in Hernstein and Murray's monumental work of science, The Bell Curve.

Poor dumb people get sick more often than smart rich people, because they are much more likely to smoke and drink to excess, indulge in the use of dangerous and addictive drugs, eat fatty and sugary food, practice poor hygiene, refuse to use condoms, live in sub standard accommodation, and indulge in many other types of dangerous and risk taking behaviour which makes them far more prone to serious injury and disease than smart people.

But Alon and his socialist comrades will never admit that.

So what's going on here ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337551

And then vote for, non establishment change!
Alan B,
What is the alternative Government's stance on that ? Are they proposing equal (Flat) tax because that is the only way to achieve such a change !
If they don't then we're definitely better off with the encumbent outfit !

Gee Alon

George Floyd's death albeit "so horrific" is no different to any other "black" death. Albeit this death being caught on camera was so horrific and totally inhumane.

So we sitting back here in Australia - get it.

Whilst, we sitting back in Australia pause to consider what has happened over the last 30 years to build the "black" community's forward progress.....over many Governments.

I recently viewed a documentary on "black" children in a "challenged" community.

The challenged community being a community filled with drugs and the effects of children.

Although the mums spoke out against the drug abuse in their community with fears for their children's growth and future, their voices weren't being heard.

The children these schools attended didn't have current textbooks in which to learn ….. so I ask why is not so?

How does one expect children to learn, and feel safe in a community, whereby teachers in said facility are not being supported by relevant State Government in their area.

How do you expect the next generation of children to grow, learn and aspire to their full potential.

Of course these Governors of relevant States don't care - some of us in Australia do.

No child asked to be born - all children deserve the right to be loved by family, and grow to their full potential within school education in order to go out into the world and aspire to who they wish to be.

Of course, this won't happen - as the mums of these children are dealing with inherent drug issues within the communities, which the police won't or unable to get rid of.

So we go through another "lost" generation of possibly gifted kids - due to drugs.

America and all Governments shame in not addressing this problem.

To SAINTS,

What would you suggest be done in order to correct the problem?

One of the dynamics I see in this is that police involvement is looked at as racist opposition, and systematic racism. But if there is an ongoing problem with drugs and gangs in the black communities, then the reaction to profile from a police standpoint might just be being proactive, and doing their job.

The issues from there get dicey, because it's a steep slope between fighting racism in police actions (and the accularation of racism from there), and tying policy's hands from doing anything about the drugs and criminal elements in their areas. While at the same time, the other side has a steep slope of supporting police and actions to remove the drug pushers, the domestic abusers, or anyone else in the profiled group, can get to the point of ignoring actual harm to that group from having a fair chance and not be oppressed in one way or another.

Any thoughts on how to correct the problem?

Any thoughts on how to correct the problem?
Not_Now.Soon,
A national Service ! A National Service would rectify 95% of the stupidity in the mentality of many leftists after all, they're the crux of the problem. No-one has really shown them the path to a healthier way of thinking hence the problems they cause.

As long as we allow the powerful and privileged to concentrate more and more of our finite wealth in their over-privileged hands, these anomolies that are racially imposed inequalities etc, will continue until the white community follows what happened to the in Kenya and Zimbabwe?

We need to end this them and us, racial divide, establish a truth and reconcilation commissions, get the past in the past where it belongs and take ownership of our own behaviour, not that of hugely misguided previous generations!

We are not born bigots,racists or bible bashing control freaks! But need to learn all of it at a parent's knee! And we will never ever unscramble the scrambled egg that is a multi-cultural society! Get used to it and get over it! Can't turn back the hands of time!
Alan B.

Totalitarianism nearly always concentrates all wealth and power in privileged hands, Alon B, despite totalitarians of the Left claiming to be the champions of the ordinary people. Leftist totalitarians are originally composed of the educated middle class, the artistic class, and the public service. These people do not have the economic sense to run a chook raffle, (ie, the Great Starvation in the Soviet Union in 1930 and The Great Leap Forward in China) They are so incompetent, that sooner or later either a psychopath takes over (Stalin, Hitler, or Mao) or the business class totalitarians, aided by the Armed Forces take over, because they usually have more economic sense than the stupid "intellectuals."

So, the only choice left that you have is free market democracy. But even there, totalitarians have discovered ways to undermine the only viable alternative to totalitarianism. In democratic societies, it is expected that the rich will pay more taxes to subsidise the poor. But this sensible and stable economic model can be undermined by totalitarians and crooked politicians, who never stop fleecing the rich until they give up and move somewhere else, taking their money making skills and talents with them. (ie, Zimbabwe, Detroit, and lately, California.) The rich are taxed "until the pips squeak" in order to purchase the votes of stupid people in the lowest class, who are hoodwinked by the idea that the government has endless money and can give them everything they want.

The crooked politicians then import as many stupid people as possible that will be entirely dependent upon the government for their welfare. Which is why leftists enthusiastically support the importation of unassimilatable minorities. This does not seem to panning out in either Europe or the USA. And economically, this model never works, except for the crooked politicians. As Margaret Thatcher once so wisely quipped, "sooner or later the Socialists run out of somebody else's money to spend."

So if you are still dreaming of a classless society where everybody is equal in power and money, you may as well ride away and tip your lance at a windmill.

Lego, you completely misrepresent me and almost everything I've actually said.

And after you shameless verballed and put words and false interpretations in my mouth. Never claimed I was looking for a mythical utopia or a totally classless society, just a more egalitarian one!

And a fairer shake for those who create all our wealth! Those whose hands and minds create all of it, not the leaners and whip-cracking parasites who exploit them to the max! By virtue of their alleged ownership of unearned wealth!?

Understand at least this much genius, co-ops stood almost alone as the only, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, FREE MARKET business models that survived the great depression mostly intact!

And the lowest costing energy in the world has no choice but to massively turbocharge a free market economy!

And yes, I get that you and your ilk on the hard right want none of the above! And I know why! Jawhol?
Alan B.

Just a reminder folks - the Vietnam war ended largely
as a result of the anti-war movement, a social
movement that consisted disproportionately of young
people, including many college students.

When the antiwar movement first challenged the war, it
received little support from politicians or the press, and
its goals seemed almost hopeless. But the tide of public
opinion gradually began to shift .

In the 1968 presidential primaries according to what
I've read an antiwar candidate backed by student volunteers
did unexpectedly well and President Johnson decided not to
run for re-election.

From that point on, political debate on the war focused not
on how to stay in it, but how to get out of it.

Through collective action, ordinary people
with few resources other than their own
determination had changed a national
consensus for war to a national consensus for peace.

This time they have a large portion of the press on their
side and global support as well as the support of
famous people and politicians. A fundamental insight of
sociology is that once people no longer take their world
for granted, but instead understand the social authorship
of their lives and futures, they can become an irresistible
force in history.

Foxy,

The anti war movement in the US was certainly a factor in when the US pulled out of Vietnam, but to claim that it was the major factor is stretching the truth more than a little bit.

The main problem the US had was that the Russians and Chinese were not only supplying the VC with vast quantities of high quality weapons and supplies, but also providing training and maintenance for their aircraft, airports and training areas while sending in hundreds of 1000s of guerillas into South Vietnam. The strategic targets the US should have attacked were populated with Russians and Chinese with the implicit threat of the Russians and Chinese formally joining the conflict if their citizens were killed.

The US were left with a Hobson's choice of a full scale obliteration of enemy positions in North Vietnam which could ignite a conflict of the scale of Korea, or in the face of a constant escalation by the Russians and Chinese face an unwinable conflict with escalating costs and casualties. If there had been no anti war movement, the US would have had to leave, though possibly some time later.

Of course the US paid the Russians back with interest in Afghanistan to the point where the USSR collapsed in bankruptcy roughly in 1990

Shadow Minister,

A striking example of collective action to stop war
occurred during the 1960s, when the United States
became embroiled in the longest and most humiliating
military conflict in its history.

Vietnam was involved in civil war between the north ruled
by communists, and the south, ruled by an undemocratic
regime that called for American help.

Determined to "fight communism", the United States stumbled
into an obscure but vicious conflict on behalf of peasants
who seemed largely indifferent to the outcome of the
fighting and to America's ideology.

Americans public opinion gave patriotic support to the war.
But as the nation became more deeply involved, the Vietnam
war became a quagmire that drained its energy, strength,
credibility, treasure, and blood.

As casualties mounted and troops became more demoralized,
the war began to tear American society apart, dividing
neighbour from neighbour, friend from friend, family
members from one another. Some sons volunteered for war,
some were drafted, some became conscientious objectors,
some evaded the draft by going into hiding or fleeing
their country.

Those who fought and those who refused to fight branded
each other with such names as - traitor, brute, coward,
dupe and so on. Altogether, more than 2 million young
Americans went to this unfamiliar place to fight an
unwanted war for uncertain ends. Some 57,000 of them
were killed, and almost 300,000 wounded.

To some extent the war divides Americans still, but there
is now a general consensus that, somehow, a terrible
mistake was made.

The memory of that mistake places an informal social
restraint on American leaders, for there is intense
public resistance to any prospect of "another Vietnam"
any where else.

As I stated earlier the Vietnam war came to an end largely
as a result of the antiwar movement

Foxy,

I totally disagree with Shadow Minister's thesis on the reason the US abandoned the cause of democracy in South Vietnam.

I side with you on the anti-war movement but think that the power elite itself had come to a consensus that it could not win a guerrilla war in which it could not see the enemy and the enemy refused to come out into the open. I think the anti-war protestors and the power elite both knew that such a guerrilla war would never end and the power elite had to get the politicians to capitulate to the demands of the anti-war movement.

Like the current protests, it had turned into a struggle between institutional power and people power.

(PS Don't pay to much attention to what Shadow Minister says, he's just an engineer. I've worked in engineering forever and they are all the same: a bunch of know-all-know-nothings. They are like that simply because they are just engineers who really want to be something more than just an engineer.)

Foxy & SM,

Hmmmm ....... I was in demos from around late 1965 against the US war against Vietnam, but it took me maybe thirty years to realise that the demonstrations weren't against the US war against Vietnam so much as against conscription for the war against Vietnam, both here and in the US.

Soon after conscription ended here, the demos pretty much stopped - except that Nixon had massively increased the B-52 bombing against anti-US-held areas in Cambodia and Laos as well, so I do recall a major protest march on about January 20, 1973, after Whitlam had been elected and announced the end of conscription. But the war dragged on for another two years. Without any memorable protests.

Joe

LOUDmouth,

And what is the point you are making?

If I have misrepresened you, Alan B. then could you please write in plain English instead of in implications? You seem to be suggesting that something is intrinsically wrong with western economic systems because capitalism creates different levels of wealth. That sure sounds like Socialist claptrap to me. And claiming that society must "end racism" and make a race free society is just an update on creating a class free society.

Get it through your head that western democratic societies are the most inventive, fairest, peaceful, and prosperous in human history. Improvement through discussion can be always be welcome, but those stupid freaks now burning US cities and breaking CCP virus restrictions in Australia want to destroy the society they want to live in. Every problem faced by western society, even the dispersion of deaths from the CCP virus, is portrayed as white privilege versus minority victimisation. Because just like you, they seem to think their own society is evil. If you hate western democratic society, then go somewhere else and leave us in peace. Africa, the Middle East, and South America looks like a nice places.

White people need to defend own society and be proud of our race and culture. We have to fight now to protect ourselves because there is nowhere else on this planet we can flee too if our civilisation falls.

The totalitarians realised that the white western working class were too smart to fight for their glorious proletarian revolution which would supposedly put the artistic/ public service/ tertiary educated class in power. So they support "refugees" and the immigration of dysfunctional ethnicities as a way of dividing our country. They then start a culture war where they denigrate everything about our history and teach our children to be ashamed of their own history and culture. And all this to divide and conquer our communities.

And it is working. And you are aiding them. And those Chinese fascist totalitarians in the CCP with their dreams of world dominance are watching our societies implode and are laughing their heads off

Foxy,

Given that the war in the format it was being fought was unwinnable for the US, are you claiming that without the anti war movement that the US would not have pulled out in spite of the huge cost in lives and money?

If not then the anti war movement was not the major factor.

Mr 0

Every time you post you display your ignorance in another field of study. The war was not an entirely a guerilla war as the North employed tanks, artillery MIG 21s and a range of Russian missiles etc. along with VC guerillas.

LEGO, Friday, 5 June 2020 9:47:18 AM-

I thought you brought up some good points here. Kudos.

Shadow Minister,

I think having a BA and two MAs in anthropology, sociology and history respectively makes me pretty knowledgable and fairly well placed to discuss related topics.

Whereas you don't have any credentials outside of your vocational training in business and engineering. A BSc(Eng), BComm and MBA are not exactly the credentials that qualify one for the areas I study. In fact I am amazed you have any knowledge at all about the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

I suppose both of us are really in the same boat: neither of us wants to be just an engineer. Can anyone blame us?

Mr Opinion - you state -

Shadow Minister,

I think having a BA and two MAs in anthropology, sociology and history respectively makes me pretty knowledgable and fairly well placed to discuss related topics.

Whereas you don't have any credentials outside of your vocational training in business and engineering. A BSc(Eng), BComm and MBA are not exactly the credentials that qualify one for the areas I study. In fact I am amazed you have any knowledge at all about the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

I suppose both of us are really in the same boat: neither of us wants to be just an engineer. Can anyone blame us?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 5:40:55 PM
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Says it all to me - we playing "degrees" against commence sense v's how to address a problem.

Common people - without a degree -see a problem and address it!

Thereby lies the problem - is your degree better than my degree!

Seriously, whilst those who have no degrees but "pure and simple common sense" remain the "silent majority"!

SAINTS,

Why are you buying into this? You don't even have a degree.

Mr opinion - how do you come to this conclusion?

Not now soon - you state

"What would you suggest be done in order to correct the problem?

One of the dynamics I see in this is that police involvement is looked at as racist opposition, and systematic racism. But if there is an ongoing problem with drugs and gangs in the black communities, then the reaction to profile from a police standpoint might just be being proactive, and doing their job.

The issues from there get dicey, because it's a steep slope between fighting racism in police actions (and the accularation of racism from there), and tying policy's hands from doing anything about the drugs and criminal elements in their areas. While at the same time, the other side has a steep slope of supporting police and actions to remove the drug pushers, the domestic abusers, or anyone else in the profiled group, can get to the point of ignoring actual harm to that group from having a fair chance and not be oppressed in one way or another."

I respond - you are correct whilst mother's in these areas want their children to grow up within safety and security within their communities we must address education afforded to children within poverty areas attending schools.

No Governor in relative States will address this -

1. Why do children in impoverished areas not have "current" text books in order for children to learn and foster....silence.

2. Why do children in impoverished area schools not have on-line facilities for teaching and learning? ... silence.

3. Why is it that "top class" teachers are not appointed to "imporished" schools .... their comments not mine.

4. What brings a community together? - self worth, a belief in oneself, their children and community resistance against drug dealing, destroying their children's lives.

These are the issues the current Governors of relevant states do NOT want to address as their are no VOTES for change.

It's time for all people within their communities to vote OUT any Governor who will not put children and education first.

SAINTS,

It's obvious.

..... cont'd

We're sick of the "racist" blame on all police personnel America wide.

Albeit the death of George Floyd - was wrong, sincerely wrong on any human being level.

To SAINTS.

I think a simple answer for many of those questions resides in the taxes available to spend on education affect the education being given. And with that in mind though I could be wrong, I think local taxes fuel most of the school programs. State and city taxes I think are the main influence,mand it might not be as easy of an answer of just vote in the right governor to fix the issue. That said, better education sounds like a good aporoach, because this helps with a better foundation for careers.

For education. I think what might be needed is generosity. This would need to be dealt with on a community to community basis, where churches and businesses donate school supplies, or fund donations of school supplies to poorer schools. Funding through the government should be part of the solution, but I think there's a lot of corruption and self serving interests when it comes to spending taxes is an issue that isn't going to go away. I don't know of a way for schools to pull themselves out of poor education standards when local governments go on a reward the better tested schools with more financial backing as one of the common philosophies I've heard. In order to change poorer schools to be better I think it requires the generousity of a community to support the poorer schools.