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An immigration re-think is well overdue : Comments
By Alex Walsh, published 13/5/2020For decades the major parties have deliberately kept the immigration issue off the political agenda and keep the migrant intake at supercharged levels.
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Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 8:24:20 AM
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Recently interviewed economic gurus have said as soon as the pandemic is settled we'll have to restart high immigration. It must be prominent in the economics hymn sheet. If Australia had a formal immigration policy it should look at leakage from different classes of visas. For example some say 16% of international students (some say 25%) seek permanent residence after doing a tough 2 year stint of rural hardship which could be on the Gold Coast. It's partly an immigration ruse which doesn't seem to be acknowledged in any policy.
To restore net immigration we should have some numerical triggers. I suggest that per capita GDP must have increased in four consecutive quarters, that not more 0.25m should be on Newstart compared to the 0.75m pre-Corona virus, that the average city house (mortgage or rent) should cost no more than 25% of the average wage and that hospital wait times are in months not years. Do all that then bring in more people otherwise shut the door. Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 8:29:06 AM
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Keneally's comments were a surprise, but certainly welcome, although not by some of her rattier colleagues. This is the first time a main party politician has spoken sense on our suicidal mass immigration policy. Big Brother Morrison still thinks mass immigration is a good idea. Both parties pig-headedly stick to ridiculously high rates of immigration, instead of training and employing our permanent three quarters of a million unemployed. Most of our politicians are so thick that they cannot see the stupidity of increasing our population by 30% over twenty years when we just do not need any more people here.
And, let's drop this silly talk about Australians "not wanting" to do certain jobs. Make the buggers do them; cut off their role. No work, no money. And if the likes of Anne Aly doesn't like "Australia first", she is not a fit person to be in the Australian parliament. Her sort are not even suited to be citizens of Australia. But, of course, as it was said recently by another contributor, what governments want is different from what voters want. It's up to voters to stop voting for the clods put up by parties until decent candidates less interested in career prospects than serving their country and people are presented for consideration. If people are sick and tired of having near enough to a quarter of a million new people they don't want forced on them every year, they have to do some about it, because the idiots in Canberra won't. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 9:07:26 AM
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Politicians, bureaucrats and business people have been bringing in cashed up Chinese to keep the Australian economy afloat for the past 30 years and in a couple of months the Wuhan Bat Soup Virus pandemic has wiped out all of the gains from that program and now all we have for our troubles is about 4 million Chinese who nobody wants anymore and the worse still being that the politicians, bureaucrats and business people will now be wanting the bring in millions more cashed up Chinese in an attempt to achieve economic recovery in the wake of the Wuhan Bat Soup Virus pandemic.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 9:15:18 AM
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Australia's immigration policy is a "giant Ponzi scheme", according to Andrew Bolt. An excellent description. Both the LNP and Labor should be prosecuted for running the scam.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 9:50:19 AM
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Way to go, Alex. But Albanese's "vision" statement simply ignored Keneally, as if he can't wait to get back to mass migration. Morrison will gladly oblige.
Too few people are aware of the TAPRI work, which clearly points to Labor as the party of "educated" elite opinions, certainly not for ordinary people. As Piketty discusses at some length, today's rich countries tend to have one party for wealth, one for the educated, but none for the great unwashed. Posted by Steve S, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:01:35 AM
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Alex Walsh
Hear, hear, and so say all of us. David Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:39:44 AM
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Yes, from one point of view, what do we need any immigration for, except maybe the fruit- and veg-picking around the country, in the Kimberley and up on Adelaide River ? Forty-fifty years ago, the old Commonwealth Employment Service would cut off all Unemployment Benefits when seasonal work became available, so why not now ? What do we need to depend on Polynesians for ?
And all those medical and health workers from overseas ? Why can't Australians be doing those jobs ? Are they being blocked from doing the required courses at universities ? Yes, if every country banned immigration and did all its own work, training up all its required professionals, sending out all its unskilled and semi-skilled population to wherever work had to be done - otherwise going without - I wonder what the world would be like ? Fruit-picking ? Cleaning ? Getting skills after many years of sustained effort ? Nah. Better being a barista or games-developer or skateboarder. Or what's on TV this afternoon ? Joe Posted by loudmouth2, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:18:01 AM
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Unfortunately the corruption culture that hobbles the developing world's now a feature here.
Posted by jamo, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:20:55 AM
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Everybody repeat after me 'Ni hao!"
Good ...….. Now you're on your way to becoming an Australian. Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:27:36 AM
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We need a pause on all immigration except skills-based temporary migration. Who absolutely will need a two week minimum period in mandator quarantine, before being deployed, where their transferable skills can be deployed
Other than that, we can continue a popular trend and just outsource, dig holes in the ground and sell our meat and barley to our (how dare you) foreign Chinese masters! All over the world automation is replacing humans in all manner of tasks some of them, white-collar! And means a huge groundswell of the permanently unemployed/jobseeker beneficiaries? We should import more of that category? What we will need is to import missing and transferable technical skills, some of which will need to be deployed ASAP in new technical training schools! Don't worry if they have no English given the clever Japanese have invented handheld devices that'll translate very nearly 50 or so odd languages! Temporary has to mean just that! And to ensure it is, half or three-quarters of the salary entitlement has to be withheld and only paid with a trouble and issue free, repatriation. And may mean those same people will be front and centre, if we need more such skillsets? Automation means vastly increased energy requirements! And if we are to survive, let alone compete, it has to be cheaper than coal! Trying to get that message across or understood, makes herding cats easy as, by comparison! Ask Sally neighbours? Or for her opinion on why this energy/cancer/unnecessary (greater than the annual road toll), annual deaths, scandal! Has never ever been exposed by her Four Corners? 20 or so expert witnesses, not enough Sally? Don't bring in any more immigrants, as 1in 2 will, in their lifetime, be exposed to cancer? And where they are now, better able to access alpha particle isotope, miracle cancer cure, bismuth 213 The precursor, nuclear power as MSR thorium, is verboten here! As is the clean safe cheap carbon-free energy we could have along with the jobs and economic development we could have but for tin-eared, intransigent, recalcitrant, ignorance, Sally!? Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:27:57 AM
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An immigration re-think is well overdue !
Not only that, a re-think on the bureaudroids in the Department is overdue also. Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 1:31:17 PM
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individual,
Those so-called bureaudroids are Indians thank you very much. Someone in government said there are too many chiefs and someone said we need more indians and Tony Abbott said I will get millions of them for you. Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 1:37:53 PM
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we would certainly need to drastically improve on our Marxist indoctrination centres (schools) if we want people doing jobs that requires a bit of thinking.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 2:27:37 PM
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runner. A job that requires the ability to think? Well, that rules you out, doesn't it?
Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 13 May 2020 2:49:29 PM
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Tony Abbott said I will get millions of them for you.
Mr Opinion, being stupid & making stupid remarks is even more unhelpful besides, can you show where & when he said that ? Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 4:19:03 PM
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C'mon Alex Walsh can't you understand what Anne Aly and her Labor party colleagues are saying "Who cares if people are losing their jobs, who cares if the environment is deteriorating, who cares if resources are being depleted. Let's get to the most important issue. Nobody is going to call me a racist."
Posted by ericc, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 4:59:57 PM
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If you are rethinking immigration would you, considering the problems
in Melbourne and to a lesser extent Sydney, include Somarlies ? I think not, and indeed you would not include moslems. I know, I know that is racialism, err Islam is not a race. However EVERY moslem accepts the word of the Kpran and I am not happy to have people here who support my killing, are you ? Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 16 May 2020 8:51:50 AM
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Thanks Alex Walsh for this article.
Just letting you all know that I posted some comments on this topic on the thread... Where have decent and articulate conservative voices gone? http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9164&page=0 Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 16 May 2020 8:57:27 PM
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'Immigration' or 'Migration' have been confused during the last 15 years since the UN Population Division's definition and/or formula was expanded by the 12/16+ month rule for inclusion in NOM net overseas migration data, conflating temporary churn over (net financial contributors) with permanent migration (declining proportional to population); hence frothy headline population data prone to spikes with increasing numbers of temporaries (not this year.....).
Elephant in the room for the developed and now much of the developing world is ageing workforces and increasing numbers of retirees needing services funded by govt. budgets. Not sure what credibility the APRI has considering some of their related counterparts or collaborators in the US now informing Trump White House immigration policy? One of these was the (now deceased) white nationalist and admirer of the white Australia policy, John 'passive eugenics' Tanton who declared publicly his penchant for a anti-semitism and antipathy towards Catholics, Hispanics, Blacks etc.; viewed though a prism of 'overpopulation' due to 'immigration' of the wrong types e.g. post 1970s immigrants to Australia..... Posted by Andras Smith, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 1:37:32 AM
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The horse has so long ago bolted on ridiculously high immigration levels and the catastrophe it is and will be into the future,, it now grazes in the long yard with the baldy bay.
The problem is the Chinese influence on these levels. Now the solution can only be from the same Chinese.
Here is a prediction which will sadly unfold before our eyes. Chinese Belt and Road initiative: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_InitiativeAnother easy political fix for our politicians to embrace, while swamping Australia with more Chinese coolies, to further reduce the fight back from the disinterested Australians...whatever one of those is currently.
The modern Australian in no way resembles our past Australian who fought for our freedoms along the Kokoda trail in PNG, against huge odds, into the jaws of a slick Japanese military advance, designed to walk into a virtually undefended Continent.
Politicians have over the years, ignored history and sacrifices of its citizens, who attempted to save us from the inevitable fate now facing us.
This time there will not be a shot fired in defence of our once great Country.
Dan