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Democracy for Iran must be a bipartisan effort : Comments

By Slater Bakhtavar, published 10/3/2020

In the days since the Islamic Revolution, now over four decades ago, most American support for Iranians desiring freedom has come from Republicans.

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The author's first sentence equates support for the Shah with support for the Iranian people. That is nonsense.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 7:50:09 AM
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Democracy for Iran must be an Iranian effort.
Pressure on Iran by other countries is very unlikely to bring it.
Meanwhile there are other urgent issues with Iran that need addressing.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 9:16:36 AM
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1. I agree with you david f.

Up until 1979, the US government supported the secular Shah of Iran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi as a "Deputy Sheriff" for US interests in the Middle East. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

In the years prior to 1979 the rule of the Shah was seen by an increasing number of Iranians as repressive and anti-Islamic. The Shah's "Secret Police" (Security Service) known as SAVAK steadily lost its ability to effectively terrorize anti-Shah opposition elements. In 1979 a popular Iranian uprising (the anti-Shah, Islamic Revolution) unseated the Shah.

The US sees Iran as the main threat to the US' 2 main client states in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Israel.
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2. So where does this leave the author? It would appear from his previous article of October 2019 http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=20565 that he is connected with the Washington DC Pheonix Project, a US Government supported information operation against Iran.

The address of the Pheonix Project is:

"Phoenix Project of Iran

611 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE #350,

Washington, DC 20003-4303

United States of America."

see http://iranprojectphoenix.org/en/contact-us/general/
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 9:22:06 AM
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It certainly was a disastrous decision by hick president Jimmy Carter to undermine the Shah. We cosy up to Communist China now. but the halfwits back in the day though it was a good idea to toss out a monarch in favour of a lunatic religious dictatorship. Look where that got Iran. Look at the ongoing international threat that a country that used to mind its own business has become.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 9:33:00 AM
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Why must it be us and our blood and treasure spilled/wasted and for what? So another dictator can replace those removed?

If these folk need help? So do 50-60 million displaced (climate change/desertification), refugees!

I've just turned away two evangelical folks from my door. Who wanted to engage me in a conversation by questioning my values and belief.

Like all control freak bible bashers. If ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.

I'm sorry for the plight of young Christian Iranians who must be almost the most persecuted folk almost anywhere and womenfolk who have less rights than cattle!?

We have interfered too many times in the miscreant middle east. And tolerated the intolerable, given the tyrannical bastard was our tyrannical bastard.

Some of who could even be elected bible bashing, fire and brimstone breathing, absolutists?

Who may even believe like the current Iranian theocracy, that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice/form of insanity? And shared, cradle to the grave, brainwashed into almost every Iranian citizen? And you would have us assist that?

Personally, I think we need to ramp up the sanctions and then ramp them up again in the knowledge that the folk that are the tyrants are old men and the coronavirus could remove them, (God's hand) without us needing to lift a finger to help.

And those not taken this time? Gotten via circulating reinfection carried by the wind, birds or flea carrying rats/whatever?

More young GI's were sacrificed trying to liberate South Vietnam than spent in the totality of WW11!

Let's not repeat that for less! And for no thanks, just endless hate and anger/Iranian sponsored/financed terrorism?!

If we need a solution? Then let it be a single cruise missile delivered, neutron bomb exploded over Tehran when all the Aytollys are in the capital? The "secret network" can alert our inside operatives when and where and enough time to seek shelter at a safe distance?

The device would also completely sanitise the area and make it coronavirus free? And safe to reenter, with no infrastructure damage, in around six months.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 10 March 2020 10:40:17 AM
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The reality of humanitarian intervention is the horror of Libya.
Posted by Leslie, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 10:41:11 AM
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@Alan B.

Your childlike technological (Lie Detector, etc) imaginings should not extend to numbers of American servicemen who died in Vietnam and World War II.

Where you claim "More young GI's were sacrificed trying to liberate South Vietnam than spent in the totality of WW11!"

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war#Wars_ranked_by_total_number_of_U.S._military_deaths

"Vietnam War.....58,209" US deaths

"World War II...405,399" US deaths

@Alan B. Don't blather on if you can't get your facts right!

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:01:58 PM
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Why did it take the World 5 years to fight two nations ? Why don't so many learn from the past mistakes ?
I tell you why ! Stupidity is a natural phenomenon that is being fostered & enhanced at great expense by Leftist morons in Education !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 6:02:35 PM
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"Democracy for Iran must be a bipartisan effort"

So you want both political parties in the US to support regime change for Iran

Why?

I don't want to tell Iranians or their government how they should run their country or live their lives.
I don't want to rob their nations resources.
I don't care about Israel, Saudi Arabia or the United States geopolitical interests in the Middle East;

- Like a trail strewn with garbage -

All I care about is Australia.

Iran hasn't done anything wrong to me, but the BS from you and and others like you preventing Iran from selling it's goods to other nations costs me more at the bowser every week.

So right now you're causing me more harm than Iran causes me.

Why do you want unanimous support from both sides to regime change Iran?
America never brings democracy anywhere anyway.
It just occupies nations for the money it makes off war, and then robs those nations either with the help of the military or the puppet rulers it installs.

Why are you intolerant of intolerance?
Did you go to to Camp Tolerance?
http://youtu.be/6vTPjuT3rTA

Before you go promoting regime changes, show me a successful one.
Show me one example of where the US intervened and created a stable independent country where democracy and the installed leaders have been a benefit to the nation and people in question.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 8:57:46 PM
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[Cont.]
If the author gave a crap about the Iranian people then he'd be supporting US medical sanctions being lifted so they can effectively fight COVID-19.
That's what he'd be saying if he wasn't focused on bipartisan support for regime change.

Which Path To Persia - Options for a new American Strategy Toward Iran
http://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

"Supporting the development of ever-more advanced communications technology in Iran is perhaps the single greatest threat to that country's religious dictatorship, more than any missile. It has already empowered the Iranian resistance by enabling them to more easily talk and share ideas with each other, as well as to plan activities that the government won't know about until it's too late."

That's definitely advocating regime change.
Just like you did in Ukraine and countless other countries.
Do you think we don't know how you do it?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-techcamp-color-revolution-revealed-by-ukraine-official/5441928

TechCamp Kiev at US Embassy in 2012.
http://youtu.be/bpIoBUDuL3U

Civil Society 2.0
http://2009-2017.state.gov/statecraft/tech/society/index.htm

http://techcamp.america.gov/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 6:34:37 AM
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[Cont]
Just a note:
The above quoted text was from this authors article, and not from the linked article entitled 'The Path To Persia'.
- Sorry for any confusion.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 6:37:20 AM
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Slater
> Since the Carter Administration's disastrous decision to undermine the Shah of Iran,
and ttbn
> It certainly was a disastrous decision by hick president Jimmy Carter to undermine the Shah.
But was it actually true?

My understanding is that the Carter Administration did not actively undermine the Shah, but partially withdrew support due to the Shah's failure to comply with human rights standards... and that neither the popular uprising nor the subsequent Islamist coup could have been prevented by the USA acting any differently, let alone sticking to its pre-Carter policy.

Is there any evidence that I'm wrong on this?
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 9:07:01 AM
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