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Empowering citizen’s voices: lessons from inside a citizen’s jury : Comments

By Tony Webb, published 21/2/2020

Given the experience outlined here the decision to involve New Democracy in the upcoming NSW citizens jury suggests there will need for very close scrutiny.

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Apologies for the Grammarly auto-correct Which continues to F up my work shifting half-completed printed text into previously printed text.

And sometimes scrubs words so Burning is seen a bf? One of these days will not correct Grammarly's auto-correct so the world can see what elder/disabled abusive Bar Stewards they and their marketing program are?

Under no circumstances allow this allegedly free program inside your computer!

But I digress, Those concerned about our current coal oil and gas sales/ exports? Need to understand all our current energy exports and then some can be replaced by reticulated electricity sales from power generated here in waste burning MSR. And reticulated to all points via graphene cored undersea cables!

Yes, I know it requires bigger thinkers than those troglodytes we're currently saddled with and to a generic man know all the reasons it can't be done/won't work!

Can't died in a cornfield over a century ago! But his close cousin, won't is alive and well and is firmly anchored against both modernisation or change for the better! TBC.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 22 February 2020 10:24:45 AM
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Nuclear energy as MSR ( molten salt reactor) Would enable us to do many things we can't do now. Enable fresh food to be first vacuum-sealed then pasted through a radioactive space. The reactor blanket, to kill all pathogens and bacteria.

Meaning, as long as the seal was unbroken the food would remain as fresh and nutritious as the day it was sealed And as uncooked unfrozen food!

Imagine how many refrigeration free markets that would open and how well we could iron out, feast or famine production.

Imagine biting into a perfectly fresh crisp crunchy apple, e.g. 5-10 years after picking and knowing it was as safe as! Ditto all other fresh food and meat products!

Imagine deionisation dialysis desalination four times cheaper than current desal and cost-effective broad-scale agriculture with this much cheaper inexhaustible water! Imagine the energy needed to make it was 8 times cheaper at least than current coal-fired power!

Imagine being able to turn seawater into all manner of fuel and fertilizer or biodegradable plastic, using field trialled successful science and spare nuclear power.

Imagine steel and aluminium smelting that uses arc furnaces and hydrogen harvested directly fro seawater, via the water molecule cracking method, to make metal with no carbon footprint whatsoever and at prices, none can match!

Building a few dozen mass-produced factory assembled reactors with other folk's money and their donated free fuel, is just the tip of a very big economic iceberg waiting for us to grasp our opportunity by the horns and just stop with the endless prevarication/politically motivated BS. And just get on with it!

IT WILL NEVER EVER GET ANY CHEAPER OR EASIER WITH DELAY OR TIME!
ALAN B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:36:26 AM
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Oh Dear :(

This is another thread thoroughly Alan B.'d

OLO's own Strange Lover of nuclear reactors for everyone http://youtu.be/8XZyjp8uTJk?t=4m27s

Could a casual attitude to nuclear reactors in any decent sized town/city lead to some unintended accidents?

or have vie found zie perfectly safe machine, Mein Führer?
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 22 February 2020 2:02:41 PM
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As attested by many experts in the field of science, walk away safe, Pete.

I get that neither you nor Ior any rational Australian wants a Chernobyl or Fukushima in their backyard.

MSR thorium is nothing at all like either of those examples. Loss of power for any reason and the reactor automatically shuts down and the molten material self drains into a purpose-built tank below the reactor.

Rouge emission prevented by a surrounding water jacket and the whole thing encased inside a concrete cube.

Seriously, background radiation would be far higher!

A very profitable spin-off would be the byproduct production of copious and virtually free bismuth 213.

Which would enable quite substantial medical tourism in rural and regional Australia by currently terminally ill cancer patients, many of who would leave our shore after a couple of weeks in complete remission!

I get by your deliberately extraordinarily and unnecessary rude characterisation of me, that you don't want that!? Want to see currently incurable brain and ovarian cancers that individually are higher P.A., than the annual road toll! Just continue to take life often very prematurely!

I get in your ultra ignorant commentary you just don't give a rat's about hundreds or thousands of terminally ill Australians, many of who could obtain a remission from virtually free, alpha particle bismuth 213.

I mean, MSR thorium may hurt your bottom line/vested interest!?

Read, Thorium, Super Fuel, by prize-winning, investigative journalist and science writer, Richard Martin. And Thorium cheaper than coal by ivy league professor and economist, Robert Hargraves (ret)

Take butchers at Engineer, Jam Petersen's presentation and or, NASA and nuclear technologist, Kirk Sorsens presentations on google tech talks. Start with thorium in four minutes to get the basics.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 22 February 2020 4:16:17 PM
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Bugger "citizens juries" which can be shaped by the organisers to comply with any wacky proposal going. With Australia now another almost ungovernable multicultural craphole beset by competing tribes, races, and religions, and with both sides of Parliament terrified of offending some tiny minority which could lose them power, about the only way the people of this country can govern ourselves now is with referenda's.

How about referenda's on the death penalty, banning Islamic immigration, reinstituting the white Australia Policy, building dams, nuclear power stations, capturing water from monsoonal areas of Australia and diverting it inland, divesting ourselves of any legislation giving international bodies any say in how Australia manges it's resources, divesting ourselves of any legislation giving international bodies any say in the creation of our laws, stop giving away billions every year in foreign aid when we are $600 billion in dept and have to borrow the money to give it away.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 22 February 2020 7:31:28 PM
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Amen to that LEGO

Our houses of Parliament and Referenda should not give way to a hoi polloi of "special" minority "voices" called citizens juries.

Sing it Navy http://youtu.be/akbzRuZmqVM?t=48s
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 22 February 2020 9:21:40 PM
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