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Environmentalists responsible for much of Australia’s bushfire problem : Comments

By Tom Harris, published 4/2/2020

A major cause of Australia's fire problem has been the high 'fuel loads,' underbrush that, left to accumulate over years, acts as a tinder box for bushfires.

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We overlook around fifty thousand year of skilled bush management by our first people.
Instead of seeking new ways of coping with a very old challenge, we should make use of our indigenes’ knowledge in the use of fire in making our bushlands safe to inhabit.
Posted by Ponder, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 9:15:32 AM
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Noticed and interview of Sussan Ley on sky last night. It was the Front Page program. The chap raised the point of farmers being prosecuted for clearing their land. She deflected to the states like they do. To his credit he blocked her escape raising her departments vigor enforcing the epbc act. With the eyes of a true believer she spoke of the importance of habitat protection.
Cluelessness or susceptibility to departmental capture, or both, seems a disastrously typical feature with environment ministers.
Expect no change punters.

Watching the same channel some days ago Gary Hardgrave and Bronwyn Bishop both lamented voting for the laws causing these problems. Gary said back then he had no idea the laws'd be used they way they have and Bronwyn pointed directly at the epbc act saying it needs to be repealed. Refreshingly frank words from those two which only highlights the deafening silence of the rest. They all know.
Posted by jamo, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 11:18:47 AM
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Alan's idea of cell grazing, in a way, isn't far off the mark.
It goes to what concerns me with this new fervor for burning as a solution in itself. Unless you can graze fairly hard afterwards, burning, in the longer term will just create thicker scrub.
This is where the epbc act (my pet hate) starts causing it's problems.
The epbc act specifically prohibits alteration of the vegetation balance in areas containing vegetation "communities" listed as threatened. We're not talking "endangered" species here. "Threatened" status has been applied to forest communities common as remnant patches of bush in farmed areas. The "threat" was only that those patches might be cleared one day. Not about endangered species protection at all.
To ensure these areas continue to grow into impenetrable fire bombs the epbc act also prohibits construction of new infrastructure. Not even fire breaks and clearways for fences. Not even stock water infrastructure. This makes the necessary hard grazing almost impossible, if not illegal
Posted by jamo, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 1:19:04 PM
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yep we see in the Financial Review that Japan is scheduled to build another 22 coal fired power stations. Any protest outside the Japanese Embassy? These warmist are loud, irrational and incapable of thinking past their failed narrative.

ttps://www.afr.com/markets/commodities/japan-to-build-22-coal-power-plants-despite-climate-concerns-20200204-p53xms?fbclid=IwAR3SLfmH2VIam_fPqWahFUHoxhrPVgdwG4v97Yu_HfdqEbP7vyrd3xLD0J4
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 2:40:49 PM
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Oh my God. What a truck load of horse manure this article is.

The rainfall graph he puts up is for the whole of Australia, this is the one for the Southern part of the country where the bushfires have been.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/index.shtml#tabs=Tracker&tracker=timeseries&

This was the prediction put out by the CSIRO and the BOM in 2015;

“Extreme rainfall events will increase but overall rainfall is expected to drop in southern Australia, apart from Tasmania, during the winter and spring months – by as much as 69% by 2090.”

Virtually every assertion in this sorry excuse for an article is bogus. I defy anyone to defend a single one of them.

The on the ground fact of the matter is the NSW Parks service did twice as much fuel reduction burning in the last 10 years as it did in the previous ten. How on earth does that sustain an argument that environmentalists are to blame for increasing fuel loads? It doesn't.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 3:42:11 PM
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Steele,

Environmentalists are responsible for increasing fuel loads along the sides of country roads and the consequent danger during bushfires.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Taking+dead+wood+from+the+roadside&rlz=1C1CAFB_enAU718AU718&oq=Taking+dead+wood+from+the+roadside&aqs=chrome..69i57.17934j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Environmentalists had a bit to do with Torrington burning; from the 'Glen Innes Examiner'.

"Eucalypt is growing literally inside the ruins of Torrington as a community smashed by a bushfire some blame on a lack of firebreaks and bad forest management wants to know when government agencies will cut back the dangerous trees from the edge of their village.

About 16 homes in the isolated village of about 100 residents were smashed by bushfire nearly three months ago and, as of last weekend, still lie where they fell, many of them surrounded by yellow hazard tape.

Local koolie dog breeder Thomas Eveans said the town will live in fear that it could all happen again if government fails to cut back the forest of eucalypts which grow within metres of the town itself, which he said fed last year's blaze."
http://www.gleninnesexaminer.com.au/story/6601953/eucalypts-threaten-second-torrington-blaze-say-residents/?cs=422
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 4:37:00 PM
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