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Are the bushfires a result of climate warming? : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 16/1/2020

Bushfires have long been part of the Australian scene, but the recent outbreaks have been excessive.

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"Are the bushfires a result of climate warming?"

If (and only IF) they ARE a result of climate warming;

Then climate warming would still be no more responsible
Than 'incompetence of government'
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 20 January 2020 8:06:21 AM
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Max, the fact that you place any credence in that video shows that you are science illiterate and don't understand the importance of scientific principles.
For that to be anything other than a throw away party trick, the following need to be included: Concentration of CO2 within the tube at all points of the demonstration, the actual temperature rise within the tube as it "traps" heat. For it to be relevant to the atmosphere of this planet and "global warming", it would need to show this identifiable behaviour with a concentration of no more than 0.08%.
In real terms, the "cool" Youtube does not show any heat trapping behaviour of CO2. It is a "snake oil" demonstration in the true tradition of their old school charlatans.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Monday, 20 January 2020 8:26:13 AM
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Let me guess, it's this way because "You have spoken?" ;-)

You avoided everything else I said like CO2's heat trapping properties that you can look up in century old physics textbooks. Just thought you'd sidestep that Inconvenient Truth did you?

Joseph Fourier discovered how the air traps heat in the 1820s
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/how-joseph-fourier-discovered-the-greenhouse-effect-1.3824189

In 1856 Eunice Foote discovered which gas trapped the most heat. "Foote conducted a series of experiments that demonstrated the interactions of the sun's rays on different gases. She used an air pump, four thermometers, and two glass cylinders. First she placed two thermometers in each cylinder, then by using the air pump, she evacuated the air from one cylinder and compressed it in the other. Allowing both cylinders to reach the same temperature, she placed the cylinders in the sunlight to measure temperature variance once heated and under different moisture conditions. She performed this experiment on CO
2, common air, and hydrogen.[9] Of the gases she tested, Foote concluded that carbonic acid (CO
2) trapped the most heat, reaching a temperature of 125 °F (52 °C).[10] Looking to the history of the Earth, Foote theorized that "An atmosphere of that gas would give to our earth a high temperature; and if, as some suppose, at one period of its history, the air had mixed with it a larger proportion than at present, an increased temperature from its own action, as well as from increased weight, must have necessarily resulted."[11][12]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_Newton_Foote

Again, I only offered the candle demonstration as an ILLUSTRATION! Want another? Here's Mythbusters. 3 minutes. My understanding was the gas official was to keep it to atmospheric levels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I

Need more? Go on wikipedia, visit a physics lab, do whatever it takes to man up and accept something the human race has known for 163 years. I'm not going to debate this, it's childish.
Posted by Max Green, Monday, 20 January 2020 8:59:23 AM
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Mr 0,

It is easy to see that your vocational training is in the humanities because your version of critical thinking is basically to whinge and criticise without adding anything of value.

I would suggest that you leave this topic to the scientists and engineers that actually understand the subject and go back to flipping burgers.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 20 January 2020 1:58:47 PM
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Gee willackers, Max, lets look at climate scientists and their predictions.

Quoting "European scientists" in 2007, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be "ice free" by 2013. The Arctic ice cap grew by 533,000 square miles between August 2012 and August 2013.

NASA's James Hanson said that "Manhatten would be underwater by 2008."

More conservative, the BBC quoted "European scientists" who predicted that New Orleans and Miami would be underwater by 2014.

Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery's 2006 prediction that "the dams will, never fill again" looks funny when the dams did fill again and they drowned Brisbane and Townsville.

"Entire nations" were not "wiped off the Earth by 2000", predicted by Noel Brown, the director of the UN Environment Program in 1989.

First IPCC meeting was held in 1988 in Europe, during the one of the worst snow storms that Europe had ever recorded.

On 16th of October, 2008 the British parliament passed the British Climate Change Act, which is the most expensive piece of legislation it has ever passed, committing the UK to cut emissions of CO2 by 80%, at the cost of some $400 billion pounds. On that very day it snowed in London in October, for the first time since 1934

Climate "Scientist" Dr David Viner, of the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University. (you remember them, the Climategate guys) predicted that “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”

On November 4, 1998, the BBC, quoting "European scientists", claimed that Italian ski fields would snow free by 2008, while skiing in Germany would be "impossible" as the snow would simply fall as rain.

In February 2019, the USA, all of Europe, and Russia were all up to their eyeballs in snow. It was even snowing in Los Angeles, which it just like saying is snowing in Brisbane.

When somebody says that they are experts, Max, and they then make predictions based upon their "expert" scientific knowledge which turn out to be laughably inaccurate, a fair minded person would probably conclude that they don't have a clue about what they are talking about.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 20 January 2020 6:08:16 PM
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Leo, in future I'll only deal with copy and paste assertions like that when you provide me with every link, otherwise I know you've just copied and pasted from some Dumbass Denier website somewhere and don't even know WHAT you're copying and pasting!

1. So who were those "European scientists" in 2007?

2. NASA's James Hanson said that "Manhatten would be underwater by 2008." Show me where?

3. "European scientists" who predicted that New Orleans and Miami would be underwater by 2014. Who? IPCC, or nutters?

4. "Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery's 2006 prediction that "the dams will, never fill again" —
First, exactly which city was he talking about?
Second, the guy is a zoologist and environmental writer prone to hyperbole, to communicate.
Third, Perth NEVER WOULD fill again and needed to install a Desal to cope with the apparently permanent 20% reduction in rainfall. Hello, is this thing on? You reading this? That's why it's important you find out what city he was talking about, because at least ONE of his predictions about city dams came damn true!

5. "Entire nations" were not "wiped off the Earth by 2000"
Oh my oh my! Seriously? Dude, this is a quote from a spokesperson and NOT the scientists involved, who directly contradicted him! This isn't against the science, but whackos that sometimes appear in any large enough movement or organisation! Seriously, did you ever ask yourself which scientist/s he Noel Brown was quoting? No? Because you just copied and pasted it because it is comforting to your worldview? Yeah, I understand. No really, I do!
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nations-vanish-global-warming/
Posted by Max Green, Monday, 20 January 2020 7:54:50 PM
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