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Recycling to save the planet: another great environmental hoax : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 12/9/2019

Spurred on by green activists, governments have progressively expanded recycling to the point that it has now become a costly end-in-itself.

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The reality on the ground is always opposed to the fantasy of Government. Especially one which is out of control stupid, on the subject of recycling.

Two events which demonstrate this in my own area are, recycle bins are picked through by the entrepreneurs of don't waste the waste, the night before pick-up.
Now a recycling station that pays dividends for rubbish was installed, that has a cash outcome, payed by weight.
The council now pay the robbers of the council loot. What a F* joke.

The other is far more sinister. Reclycled concrete.
This must be, ( by council edict), carted 160 klm return trip, to a recycling point for disposal: a little bit of bureaucratic nonesense that forces the reality, that it is more expensive to dispose of old concrete, than it is to lay new.

In this area, a truck load of rubbish will be carted six hours return to the Gold Coast tip to save money. Another FM.

This is all happening in the town that kicked out of their homes, thirty eight families in twelve months, making life easy for the rent gougers, to freely profiteer from temporary road workers passing thirty klm Westward: ably assisted by further council edicts prohibiting the homless from camping in the gutter overnight!

What world am I living in?

Dan.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:56:30 AM
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It certainly is a hoax, with rubbish sitting in storage sheds waiting to combust, as it has in my city, twice.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 12 September 2019 9:16:25 AM
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Good article.

The local Greenie council is foisting extra bins on us to sort our waste into (latest including greenwaste) while their contents are rejoined at the landfill site since Asia stopped accepting our recyclables and other waste treatment is uneconomically unviable. They won't go with incineration for now, out of ideology.
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 12 September 2019 4:24:16 PM
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Its obvious to even the intellectually challenged that we have to recycle everything! If we would just embrace carbon-free nuclear energy,i.e., MSR thorium! Have energy cheap enough for the task! Unquestionably, the cost of energy makes most recycling uneconomic!

We just cannot keep cutting down our trees/critical rainforest faster than we can grow more! The only hoax on display here is that of the charlatan, robber barons, who see their market share decline due to the competition that fair dinkum recycling would create/empower.

Moreover, a halfway decent recycling policy made mandatory would create hundreds of thousands of new jobs in regional and rural communities along with entrepreneurial wealth-creating
opportunities.

Almost tailor-made for regional/rural co-ops. Throw in government-backed MSR thorium/Graphene highways to transmit this vastly cheaper source of energy and everything we just don't recycle now suddenly becomes, recyclable.

I'm informed we silica ship sand to Korea for their glassworks, where our exported gas is used to transform it into glass! Then ship the glass back here while megatons of recyclable glass goes to landfill here!

It's mad hatter's tea party economics! And tantamount to putting the inmates in charge of the asylum?

We ship the sand the gas and the finished product, leaving the profit and any and all tax liability there along with most of the usual economic flow on factors!

What genius dreamed that prime example up!?

Yes sure, glass making requires affordable gas! We can make all we could ever possibly use by making the recycling of all biological waste in methane-producing biodigesters mandatory!

Put the recyclable water back where it's needed into a parched inland along with carbon-rich soil improver also made a part of the byproduct!

Surplus methane can be put through a simple catalytic conversion process to convert it to methanol, an excellent alternative for petrol or simply compressed and used as a vastly superior diesel substitute!

Yes, this alternative would possibly hurt some bottom line somewhere and see oil import revenues drop sharply? You'd have a problem with that or the 20+ annual billions that we'd save in the outcome?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 12 September 2019 4:56:44 PM
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I'm informed that recycling all our waste tires could create as many as 4,000 barrels of oil annually?

That there's more precious metal in Ewaste than that ever recovered from even the richest known orebody. And only requires it be crushed down to small sand-sized fractions to make gravity separation and flotation/magnetic separation recovery a piece of cake!

Most plastic can be recycled up to seven times before it's no longer possible, even then it can be baled and used as a source of carbon in steel production?

There's just so much more and with it comes great wealth and job creation opportunities!

The only thing missing is the political will and proactive governments! That's all! Nothing else save the pecuniary interests of some politician, ex-public servants and an assorted medley of robber barons who believe the world owes them a living and the birthrights of the privileged elite!?

God help my poor beggar country!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 12 September 2019 5:20:26 PM
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its called the Canberra bubble. I lived there for decades and public servants really believed they were underpaid and overworked!
Posted by runner, Thursday, 12 September 2019 7:31:51 PM
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"Spurred on by green activists, governments have progressively expanded recycling to the point that it has now become a costly end-in-itself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_strategy

I was going to leave it there and not say anymore, but I thought I'd better do the right thing and actually read your article.

"The ACT in November 2011 also taxed "single-use" plastic bags."

- About here it starts to smell of 'agenda'

"A 2017 submission from the ACT's Minister for Transport and City Services claimed that:

...the ACT is one of the leading jurisdictions in waste management in Australia with around 70 per cent of waste generated in the ACT being reused or recycled."

70 per cent?
Now it's really starting to stink up the place.
You people need to learn to read between the lines.
- He's advertising meeting targets.

So what do we do?
We go to Google.com and we type this in:

'2030 waste and recycling' and we have a bit of a look-see.

Hmmm...

WA 2030 check

ohh... The National Waste Policy 2018
"The 2018 National Waste Policy provides a framework for collective action by businesses, governments, communities and individuals until 2030." check

http://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/d523f4e9-d958-466b-9fd1-3b7d6283f006/files/national-waste-policy-2018.pdf

City of Sydney 2030 check

Waste: Australia to set six national targets to reduce waste ...
2030 check

Urban waste: Europe wants to recycle 70% by 2030
- Didn't we hear that 70% figure somewhere before?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6103588/libs-declare-war-on-waste-with-203m-recycling-pitch/?cs=14350

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison will announce the policy on Friday with a promise to use the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to contribute half the funding. We will increase Australia's recycling rates, tackle plastic waste and litter, accelerate work on new recycling schemes and continue action to halve food waste by 2030," he said in a statement ahead of the announcement."

So they want to take away funding towards clean energy production and spend it towards garbage;

And the bigger picture is we're doing more harm than good to ourselves trying to meet global targets...

Sorry Brendan I'm calling it quits;
I should've trusted my instincts...

It seemed like a pretty good article but you forgot one thing:

CLOWARD AND PIVEN!!
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:53:12 PM
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[Cont.]

Why do we vote?
It's all been decided for us, we're on the 2030 schedule?
How did they get every single person in the western world to somehow ALL vote for the same thing?

It's rigged you idiots.
There is no democracy, it's already all decided.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 12 September 2019 8:55:31 PM
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One important positive of drink container deposits: Where this has been in place , especially for many years in South Australia, there are not many lying around as litter on country roadsides especially. Are probably only thrown out by a small percentage of the population but leave an enormous overall mess. With a deposit of 10 cents per container, many of the litterbugs normally inclined to throw them out of vehicles as they travel are more likely to hang onto them. Even if only to give to someone else to cash. Then there are some like kids and pensioners who are more inclined to pick them up for pocket money.

Over the last 40 years, I have often stopped and picked up rubbish - mainly drink bottles and cans largely on around 12 km of roadsides bordering and near our own family farming properties. They are relatively clean compared with most others in the area. On sections of main road not far away, would be easy to find and collect over 500 containers per kilometre. It is not obvious how many are there until you have a go at the continually recurring job of picking them up. Then noting the overall time it takes picking up and later sorting and disposing /recycling of these containers divided by the number of them, would need more like 20 cents each to earn wages rates. Think how long it takes to stop, walk to pick up one or two and walk back. Even if often after stopping you also see and collect more nearby.

Overall I think that some recycling such as this is well justified if only to reduce littering, even if real value of stuff collected is low. eg A while ago I took a large number of squashed aluminium cans to a scrap dealer. Price received worked out at something like one cent per can. Maybe one way of looking at environmental positive though is apparently several times as much energy - largely electricity is consumed producing aluminium from its bauxite ore as for recycling scrap aluminium.
Posted by mox, Friday, 13 September 2019 12:28:36 AM
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