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By Don Aitkin, published 28/6/2019

Scientists like Lindzen, Happer, Curry, Kininmonth and Paltridge in our country, and many others around the world, cannot be dismissed as ignorant, so the orthodoxy simply takes no notice of them.

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Yes, I agree with your analysis. It boils down to the old catchphrase "everybody says so".
The recent manifestations - worldwide street marches, "full-blown climate emergency" (John Hewson), Clover Moore's declaration ditto, have me shaking my head in disbelief that so many educated people can swallow this nonsense without blinking.
Despite the hysterical cacophony, the only thing that I can see is the steady cycle of the seasons…
Posted by RAS, Friday, 28 June 2019 6:58:26 PM
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Wow a new poster, welcome R Perkins of central London.

A bit off topic I know but thanks for the offer but it’s currently nine (9) degrees Celsius, perhaps you could arrange a delivery of one trailer load of well seasoned jarrah wood for my heater.

This would be much appreciated and luckily that segue puts me right back on topic. The smoke from your delivery should assist in masking those frightening sun rays from overheating My little part of Perth.

There we go, some positive climate change action for all you worriers. You can all sleep better tonight, and tomorrow too, that wood will last a few weeks if it ever arrives!?
Posted by Galen, Saturday, 29 June 2019 12:46:45 AM
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My lady is I assume typical of many who "believe" in the global warming rubbish. Although she has the education & the math to understand the full story, she refuses to even countenance any discussion of the subject.

On the couple of rare occasions when she has said anything it has been in the vane, "1f hundreds of experienced educated professionals tell us it is fact, who are you or we to say they are wrong". She just can't stand the fact that these professionals could be either liars or fools.

I am not as kind as Don. I believe many know damn well that the whole story is rubbish, but having invested their whole career in what has now become a scam, can see no survival if they admit their error.

I wonder how many that accept or believe the global warming story are similar to my lady. Then of course we have the Greens who want to destroy our way of life, for us if not themselves, & the useful idiots, who accept what ever position their politics tell them to accept.

I think it is going to be a huge battle from here, with so much money now invested, & so much face to be lost. Even if the sunspots continue in their current path, & we go into a new Maunder minimum we may still not break the story that it is CO2 caused, that global warming can cause extreme cold.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 29 June 2019 10:06:32 AM
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Consensus is not science; it is the gathering of a group of people who collude or agree on something. There is no attempt to replicate the claims that they agree with, because there are no funds to do so.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 29 June 2019 10:48:42 AM
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On and on they go, old fools, refusing to believe that fossil fuels are endangering the planet and all life on it! Call any scientifically collected peer-reviewed data they don't agree with, fraudulent. Impugn the reputations of hundreds of honest diligent scientists with their claims and because they are willfully blind and the facts they rail against are economically inconvenient!

If coal and gas are so good Hasbeen? Why are there so many accidents and deaths associated with it?

Not a problem? Because presumably (I'm all right Jack) not you nor none of yours are adversely affected?

Black lung disease, mine explosions, pipeline leaks and associated explosions taking out hundreds of living or ability as able-bodied to continue to support wife and family?

Reported smokestack emission from coal-fired applications includes carcinogenic cadmium, arsenic, uranium, mercury and lead to mention some. Reportedly, (Sydney papers) turned up in town water reservoirs.

Simply put, one can't have normal cyclical global warming during a waning phase of the sun! Which has been the case since the mid-seventies (NASA)

Yesterday, Southern France experience yet another record-breaking heat wave! How much verifiable evidence does it take for the moribund hasbeens of our world, the only one we have, to finally wake up and do something!

If there weren't vastly superior alternatives to all fossil fuels and at far less cost one might understand the coal-fired objections? Mining? Well, thorium and lithium need to be mined as does graphene, rare earths and cobalt!

So, if thermal coal mining is wound way back, other massively more financially rewarding, locally owned and operated, mining ventures and occupations, will replace them and hopefully without the spectre of black lung disease and God awful, underground mine explosions!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 29 June 2019 10:59:58 AM
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If our energy paradigm was formulated on efficiency and cost alone! Then the only answer would be thorium! Thorium is the most energy dense material on the planet.

[the only thing denser, would have o be coal-fired troglodytes in charge of our energy policy!?]

Compare the two, a 350MW light water uranium burning reactor, requires during a 30-year operational lifetime (at 150 atmospheres of pressure) 2551 tons of highly enriched and fabricated solid fuel uranium. Uranium on the periodic table shows up a being as rare as platinum and obviously, therefore, as expensive?

Imagine, 2551 tons of platinum refined and burnt as fuel, with less than 1% actually contributing to the energy output! And over 2550 tons of highly toxic waste created in the process! Which is the case for a 350MW light water, enriched uranium fired reactor

Contrast that with an MSR thorium, a FUJI 350MW? Which requires a single ton of refined thorium during a projected thirty-year operational lifetime. [These figures are estimated extracted and extrapolated from the thorium usage between the fifties and seventies, at Oak Ridge reactor, Oak Ridge, Tenessee.]

And during that projected operational lifetime, creating less than 1% as far less toxic waste. In a walk away safe, thorium reactor operating at near normal atmospheric pressure! Creating a lifetime of safe, cheapest ever, carbon-free, clean power for less than a single cent PKWH! That alone makes the case for thorium irrefutable and destroys the one for coal, on the economic business case alone.

Answer? Have yet another delaying inquiry and even more critical years wasted! As the sound of the foreign-controlled coal-fired till keeps karchinging!

Even where it, MSR thorium, demonstrably and progressively reverses climate change and adds a whole host of endlessly sustainable seawater fuels and desalination options on a far more self-reliant doorstep and critically so!

The waste from MSR thorium, eminently suitable as long-life space batteries that stabilize inside ten years? And burn up with re-entry!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 29 June 2019 11:37:36 AM
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