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Dealing with climate change: three scenarios : Comments

By Peter McMahon, published 23/5/2019

The scenario technique identifies three possible futures to aid critical thinking about climate change. Will basic social and political values survive?

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Dear Peter.

Climate change is very real and undeniable. The climate of Earth has always changed, and it always will. According to the historical record locked up in rocks and ice cores, the climate of Earth goes through cycles where it gets cooler and warmer every 1000 years. Every 10,000 years there is an ice age. The last one ended 11,500 years ago. We are overdue for an ice age. Lets hope that burning coal raises temperatures, because when our present warming period ends, our next cooling phase could see mile high glaciers on New York. Don't worry about global warming, Peter. Worry about global cooling.

The only difference between the present warming cycle that we are in right now, and the tens of thousands which proceeded it, is that this one coincided with the industrialization of the human race. This information can be easily accessed by any simple internet search. Look up "CO2 levels and temperature" graphs and even a trendy lefty like your good self could probably figure out that there is no correlation between CO2 and temperature, until it CO2 gets to extremely low concentrations, as is present in the atmosphere, right now. And that is because temperature drives CO2 levels, not the other way around.

Of course the kids are moaning about climate change. They have been brainwashed into this nonsense by their politically partisan school teachers, who seem to hate the fact that working class mine workers get higher salaries than they do. And these teachers are part of an increasingly numerous Brahmin caste who think that they know everything, and think that everybody else in society is either stupid, greedy, or both.

They are suffering from hubris, and it shows in every election in the western world, when they just can't understand why the ordinary people that they utterly despise keep voting in nationalist governments everywhere. That is because they live in a safe space bubble where every trendy socialist thought resounds through an echo chamber, and holding certain social values is how they identify each other as fellow Brahmin members.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 24 May 2019 4:51:25 AM
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The last one ended 11,500 years ago. We are overdue for an ice age.
LEGO,
Sounds like GW staved off the overdue ice-age & gave us another Ice-age instead ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 24 May 2019 7:43:02 AM
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Hi LEGO,

I wonder if teachers teach kids about the Medieval Warming Period, a few hundred years either side of 1100 AD - when wheat was being grown in Greenland and grapes in Scotland ?

Unprecedented global warming' ? How's this: archaeologists in Greenland were trying to excavate graves near the last church but couldn't get through the permafrost.

Sea-levels are currently rising about an inch every decade. Meanwhile, tides rise more than a metre everywhere, twice a day. Do schools teach about tides ?

This year, Adelaide had the record for the hottest capital city temperature ever, half a degree hotter than the previous record in 1939. Very crudely, does that mean that temperatures generally have risen half a degree in eighty years ?

Do schools teach that plants take up CO2 ? And that the more CO2 there is in the atmosphere, the more rapidly they take it up - and exhale oxygen. And that if the CO2 concentration drops below 180 parts per million, plants can't take it up at all. If plants can't take up CO2, they die. If plants die, we have no plant food and neither do animals feeding on them, like cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens. So they die. If animals and plants die, we have no food. We die. We need CO2. CO2 is good.

Nuclear energy generation doesn't produce any CO2. Is that what the Greens neo-capitalists want to get into, as the Next Big Thing in investment of their spare cash ?

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 24 May 2019 9:18:27 AM
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Loudmouth,
Get real, they don't even teach our teachers !
Posted by individual, Friday, 24 May 2019 10:52:14 AM
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"We still know too little".
So what road do we go down?
Is there evidence of only one cause of AGW and only one road to follow?

A few people on OLO have insight to another cause needing another road.
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 24 May 2019 7:31:18 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

Yuo wrote;

"This year, Adelaide had the record for the hottest capital city temperature ever, half a degree hotter than the previous record in 1939. Very crudely, does that mean that temperatures generally have risen half a degree in eighty years ?"

No it doesn't which you know full well because we have already discussed it. I'm really getting interested in what propels you to write this kind of stuff. Is it a form of willful ignorance? Have you found a clique and you don't want to lose your buddies? Why do you think you do it?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 24 May 2019 7:49:35 PM
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