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Living in electric dreams : Comments

By Tristan Prasser, published 13/5/2019

Electric vehicles may be the next big thing, but the ALP's policy will do little to help the environment and will do more to waste taxpayers money and hurt consumers.

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Six cars al charging at the same time causing a power outage? If true and not a fossil fuel stooges BS? Would seem to suggest they are sharing their street transformer with an indoor cannabis garden and stolen electricity?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 13 May 2019 10:54:17 AM
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ttbn,
Further to my original post, the full rebuttal of Gottliebsen's claim is at http://reneweconomy.com.au/murdoch-media-and-the-myth-about-tesla-evs-causing-blackouts-84284/

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Alan B.,
From where did you get the idea that we average 64% as distribution losses?
Either you're missing a decimal point, or the figure is completely made up!

If you want to reduce carbon pollution, leave the coal in the ground!
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 13 May 2019 12:21:26 PM
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thinkabit,

You would need to contact the person quoted about that. I just passed it on.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 13 May 2019 1:48:09 PM
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Hi Aidan

You may be right on "50% EVs is not particularly ambitious - it's within the range the Libs are predicting will occur anyway, so their scaremongering shows they can't be trusted."

Here is the LIBERAL PARTY'S very vague, playing it safe, no numbers:

"NATIONAL STRATEGY for ELECTRIC VEHICLES" of 27 February 2019 http://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/government/national-vehicle-strategy

"The National Strategy for Electric Vehicles will ensure the transition to electric vehicle technology and infrastructure is planned and managed, so that all Australians can access the benefits of the latest technology.

Greater electric vehicle uptake could mean cleaner air, better health, smarter cities, lower transport costs, and lower greenhouse gas emissions.

The Strategy will coordinate action across government, industry and the community to address barriers to uptake and ensure Australia reaps the benefits of new vehicle technology.

The Strategy will build on the current work of the Ministerial Forum on Vehicle Emissions and the COAG Transport and Infrastructure Council. It will complement grants from the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) and finance from the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC).

Further information [which still has no numbers, figures or percentage goals] http://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/4476cfd6-330a-4e6f-b0c8-985a4a8985af/files/national-strategy-electric-vehicles.pdf
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 13 May 2019 4:02:11 PM
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I was quoting an electrical engineer's findings Adian and I have earned my living as a chemical engineer, an assayer and for a power company in a science-related capacity. You? CPA?

Pretty tired of your continual BS and fact-free attacks on my credibility. Where you seem to argue against MSR thorium and or paint it as something so far away to be prohibitively costly by the time we get an INTELLIGENT government, not the in-house servants and MSR thorium? Of this or that outcome of like yours, of harmful vested interest?.

One notes your as usual link dependant mountainous misinformation as you support only renewables. Yet allow huge imports of fossil fuel. As for leaving the coal in the ground, how then are we to pay for all the government supplied benefits and services/pensions etc

. Thank God no one on OLO or any government body takes you and your Russian sympathetic/gormless green attack dog view seriously!

Don't you get that extracted methane from coal would power the entirety of the current transport fleet as CNG, and as the first consequence, lower CO2 emission by around 40% and allow us to bank the 26 billion plus currently expended on fully imported fuel,plus remove the transmission and distribution losses which are a combined 75% you economic and environmental Genius

! You seriously believe we could leave that coal in the ground, power our economy and earn enough export dollars to house clothe and feed a nation of over 20 million people!?

As they say in the classics, you must be dreaming or smoking too much of that( ice laced) weed that has clearly scattered your marbles and civility!

You have a very nice day now, y'hear.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 13 May 2019 4:13:53 PM
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Alan B.,
I too am an engineer, though I'm civil.

If you don't want your credibility to be attacked, don't keep reposting the same dubious clams after criticism has been made of them. I think MSR thorium is a technology with great potential, but there are technical problems that will need to be solved before it's commercialised. And it[s downright dishonest to claim that it CAN generate power at the price that its proponents think it may eventually be able to - doubly so when you don't do the same for competing technologies.

Maybe there are remote parts of Queensland where transmission and distribution losses combined once approached 75%. But nowadays, for the system as a whole, "The losses are equivalent to approximately 10% of the total electricity transported between power stations and market customers" according to AEMO. See http://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Security-and-reliability/Loss-factor-and-regional-boundaries
So please, stop claiming incredible inefficiency unless you have real evidence to back it up!

We have plenty of methane (aka natural gas) already - we don't need to synthesise it - and if we do so, it shouldn't be from coal.

>You seriously believe we could leave that coal in the ground, power our economy and earn
>enough export dollars to house clothe and feed a nation of over 20 million people!?
If you're asking me if we can do it before the year's out, then no. It will take a few years to adjust, and large scale steelmaking without burning coal will require commercialisation of molten oxide electrolysis. But our economy is not a one trick pony. We get a lot of value from metals mining and agriculture, and we're capable of high value services and manufacturing. Remember, most of manufacturing's value is in the IP not the fabrication.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 13 May 2019 6:34:08 PM
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