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Was Jesus a socialist? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 29/4/2019

The gospel of Jesus amounted to a social revolution that sought justice for the economically, socially, religiously and politically oppressed, ie it was a revolution from below.

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Israel Folau quoting from Corinthians

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

He did not invent his apocalyptic view of the coming judgement day. It has been standard fare of Christian doctrine.

Of course, all through history, the down players of this uncomfortable acceptance of the literal interpretation of the judgement day, and the “coming” of the kingdom of God from on high, have objected.
Like Pete, attempted to soften the landing field for sinners. The same sinners Israel Folau was addressing with the hope of repentance in his heart.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 29 April 2019 8:28:20 PM
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Let's be honest Daffy Duck.

There is absolutely no evidence a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed.

It makes your theories incredible.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 29 April 2019 8:35:32 PM
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The Jewish money changers were running a scam out of the synagogue and Jesus exposed it, apparently.

People would come to the temple to pay homage
In order to do this one needed to convert their normal coin to the temple shekel.

Jesus exposed that these people were charging 2 or 3 hundred percent on the conversion.

That's why he tipped their tables over, and that's why they got pissed off; apparently.
He exposed their scam, and their greed.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 3:18:14 AM
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Jesus spoke out against hypocrisy and corruption. No kingdom or government has matched that standard in the long haul. Therefore the kingdom of Heaven isn't a man made kingdom or a government voted for. None the less Jesus also said to submit to those ruling over you. Even though the people up top are corrupt themselves they have a place and a role to fill until God's kingdom is finally here on earth ruling the nations. They are also under God's rule and His judgement if they don't govern well.

With that in mind vote for who you think will be best, because you trust the politician over the other choices, or because you align with what they stand for. But know that even at their best that they can bring, what they have to offer is not the Kingdom of Heaven. That is still to come.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 3:29:42 AM
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"There is absolutely no evidence a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed"

There are the writings of Paul (not the OLO Paul!!) who was in contact with people who knew Jesus.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 7:53:48 AM
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Dear Peter,

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You ask if Jesus was a socialist.

Perhaps he was inspired by Aristophanes’ play “The Ecclesiazusae”, written in 390 B.C., which parodies the society of Classical Athens in a way that could be described as socialist and feminist. In it, Athenian women are depicted as seizing control of Athenian government and banning all private property, as the character Praxagora puts it "I shall begin by making land, money, everything that is private property, common to all."

But that seems unlikely, given the type of life that Jesus led (according to the New Testament) as a carpenter and a preacher. And unlike Praxagora and the Athenian women, he is not depicted as wanting to seize control of the government.

Nevertheless, I suppose it cannot be totally ruled out that Jesus somehow got wind of the basic tenants of nascent socialism and reflected upon them, developing and adapting them to the social and religious environment in which he evolved in Judaea.

Socialism as we know it today did not really take on until the French revolution (1789), and the Russian revolution (1917) – the preceding short-lived English revolution (1688) and the American revolution (1776) not having qualified, strictly speaking, as socialist.

Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judaea under the emperor, Tiberius, convicted Jesus of treason and declared that he considered he was King of the Jews, and had him crucified.

A few high-ranking Jewish authorities who owed their position and power to the Romans, conspired with the Gentile leaders to have Jesus put to death. They are said to have been jealous of him and to have viewed him as a threat to their power and authority.

In other words, Jesus was not crucified for his religious beliefs, per se, but for what was construed to be his insurrectional political action.

But Jesus did not foment “a revolution from below” as you suggest. Jesus, the “revolutionary”, believed he was “the son of God”. He celebrated the “Kingdom of God”. He did not call for its overthrow, nor for that of the Roman Empire.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 9:27:50 AM
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