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The Forum > Article Comments > Closing a renewable timber industry for carbon credits is far from 'common sense' > Comments

Closing a renewable timber industry for carbon credits is far from 'common sense' : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 5/4/2019

Ill-conceived thought-bubbles on resource use weaken rural support for the coalition.

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"Common sense" has never been applied to carbon dioxide (not carbon) or anything else connect to the climate change/warming frenzy.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 April 2019 9:11:09 AM
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A valid carbon credit should be a new or additional carbon sink. The entitlement to log should be in a pre-existing legal document. With deforestration avoided there is no net change in emissions. The the emitter is slightly out of pocket and the forest owner gets income in lieu of timber sales, for now anyway. Fire, cancellation of the agreement or extra logging next door means the deal is pointless. See
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/mar/11/greenwash-noel-kempff-forests

TV ads claim that structural uses (floorboards, furniture etc) for hardwood keep carbon out of the atmosphere and make room for extra growth. Perhaps but split logs may go the chipper to make paper, the post logging burnoff releases CO2 as do the diesel machines used in logging and transport. IMO forest should be preserved for biodiversity, water filtration and aesthetics not carbon credits. The way to reduce carbon is to not burn coal, oil and gas.
Posted by Taswegian, Friday, 5 April 2019 9:41:46 AM
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It is inevitable that a big fire is eventually going to come about in Victoria's Gippsland forests and much of the standing timber will go up in smoke. This is what happens when you don't do sufficient fire hazard burning or use logging to create fire breaks.

In 2003 almost 70% of the Australian Capital Territory's (ACT) pastures, pine plantations, and nature parks were severely damaged in a single fire.
Posted by Bren, Friday, 5 April 2019 10:44:54 AM
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Trees store carbon whether horizontal or vertical! So do most crops. If we would store carbon and simultaneously improve soil permeability, plus improved moisture retention? Plus produce an energy policy that keeps power prices down and forever! This is how it could be done utilizing Aussie know how aand innovation.

Imagine if all our domiciles were progressively retro-fitted with bio-digesters to convert organic waste, all of it, to methane. Which is then scrubbed and stored in bladders to be fed into ceramic fuel cells at the flick of a switch, Even where operated by a solenoid in the fridge or pressure pump wherever.

First, this combination would be almost carbon-free, given the exhaust product is mostly pristine water vapour. And so efficient as to produce in excess of a saleable 50% exportable surplus.

The byproducts of the process include endless free hot water and carbon-rich soil improver, added to annually!

Which stays locked in the soil for literal centuries and also thoroughly sanitised reusable water. And as millions of annual litres! Moreover, enough, one thinks, to grow all the cotton, rice, sugar etc., we need or could export.

Leaving current allocations for the environment and drought-ravaged municipalities!
TBC, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 5 April 2019 11:01:39 AM
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Cont., the exportable surplus could be transmitted without significant loss to wherever we have roads!

By progressively converting them to maintenance free (virtually) graphene highways, which would allow us to drive an electric vehicle anywhere! And designed from the get-go for Completely autonomous vehicles!

The continual recharge on the go! Paid for the very same autonomous way we collect tolls now!

This system would make enough profit to pay for the entire rollout and any maintenance! As would the carbon-rich soil improver and the also thoroughly sanitized nutrient-loaded reusable, as literal, millions of litres o,f annual, subsoil, irrigation suitable, sanitised water.

Which would be universally applied as underground only tapes and under biodegradable film which would be planted through after the water and the film had destroyed all the emerging weed species.

And remain until after harvest to ensure the only moisture asperation occurred via the harvestable crop!

The end result? Four times the harvest for half the traditional water and a non-existent, weed control or fertilizer bill!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 5 April 2019 11:26:42 AM
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You know we're in deep trouble when our potential next prime minister, Bill Shorten, tells FM radio (KIIS FM, yesterday) that an electric car can be recharged in "eight to ten minutes", when the truth is 10-30 hours or longer - which would turn what was once a one leg or overnight trip into a five to six day expedition.

You know everything is going to be worse than expected when the potential next deputy prime minister, Tanya Plybersek, tells Alan Jones (2GB, today) that human beings are mainly responsible for global warming. But when Jones asks her to nominate the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (0.04 per cent) she says, "I don't know".

And on the basis of that monstrous ignorance they are about to destroy the economy. I accept the need for forest management, but it has little to do with the concocted global warming hoax.
Posted by calwest, Friday, 5 April 2019 1:21:52 PM
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Six to eight minutes to recharge an electric car. It takes a couple of house to charge the tablet I'm using. Who advises Labor!
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 April 2019 5:18:52 PM
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Further to Shorten's mad claim about recharging an electric car in a few minutes, a Nissan Leaf, with a range of 270kms takes up to 8 hours to charge.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 April 2019 8:58:00 PM
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we all knew Labour to be economic vandals. What we did not count on was Turnbull and his mates destroying the coal industry.
Posted by runner, Friday, 5 April 2019 9:51:18 PM
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Electric cars can be recharged to around 80% in two hours with a fast charger or overnight with an inground magnetic interface.

Moreover, if we utilise this battery charging technology by utilising the magnetic electrical field of the proposed graphene highways, they can stay topped up from Brisbane to Darwin via, Melbourne and Adelaide and return!

Graphene among other things is the strongest material on the planet. And 100 times stronger than steel. Can be spread or wrapped, as a one-atom thin film. And a superconductor into the bargain!

Can be utilised as dual purpose under our future roads as the electricity reticulation system that makes our roads last for centuries and simultaneously, power our domiciles.

Because it's a superconductor with around 75 less transmission and distribution losses. And end the need to constantly maintain and de-vegetate huge corridors! Maintain poles and wires!

Allow this or that renewable project(solar thermal) to be sited in remote desert areas that have connecting roads.

As they power the nation with power three times as cheap due solely to the reduction in both transmission and distribution losses. allow us to drive anywhere in an all-electric vehicle!

Or should we wish, circumnavigate the entire continent by road if that road is also a graphene highway! Without once needing to stop to recharge! Just by fitting a magnetic interface system under the car!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:12:32 PM
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Further, There are storage capacitors that can be recharged in thirty seconds. And able to recharge buses etc, that have to make, frequently scheduled stops. So Bill is not as diabolically dumb as the verbose, ignoramous, dumb-asses, who try to bag him here!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:20:02 PM
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