The old boogyman of socialism and reds under the bed syndrome again! Democratic socialism couple to a free market is not something to fear, neither is a living wage and fair competition.

Only rigid conservative thinkers believe they and capitalism have anything to fear from socialism. The simple truth is, cooperative capitalism can beat the piss and pick handles out of socialism any day of the week!

What's really feared by rigid recalcitrant conservatives, is the egalitarianism and the retirement of sectional privilege and special entitlements, that would come with either DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM OR COOPERATIVE CAPITALISM.

The latter beating the pants off of any form of socialism! And any unionism into the bargain! All while turbocharging the local economy, as no other system can!

And exemplified by the proven historical fact that co-ops where the only private, free market enterprise, business model, to survive the Great Depression, largely intact!

This is what any enduring new green deal needs to embrace. And even more feared by rigid recalcitrant conservatives, because it would largely sideline them and their parasital, dehumanising, debt dependent, lowest common denominator, exploitive capitalism!

Of the sort that was a six-time bankrupt, with a trail of literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of ruined family businesses in his wake!

And I won't mention Donald Trump by name, lest you think I was referring to him. But rather the cohort that is the self-indulgent, self-idolising, narcissistic, VIP club he's self evidently a member of?
Alan B.

I understand that the original 1930s New Deal was a genuinely humanitarian policy, not by Lenin or Stalin, but worse,

by that notorious socialist-Communist, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a man hated by Rightwing Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt#First_New_Deal_(1933%E2%80%931934)

A key difference between the Roosevelt New Deal and the green version is the former was propelled by high yielding energy, namely oil, coal and gas. If they are disallowed under the Green New Deal in favour of low yielding forms of energy it may run out of steam almost literally. By high yielding I mean Energy Return on Investment EROI which see.

The Roosevelt program could afford to pay people to plant trees because in the background oilwells were drilled, rivers dammed and coalmines dug. The makework schemes were a form of income redistribution though to this day we appreciate the parks and so on. There is a high EROI low carbon power source in the form of nuclear but the GND people rule it out. Whether or not Democrats get up in 2020 Germany has promised to close its remaining nuclear in 2022, perhaps to burn Russian gas instead. We'll know what works in the next decade.

Trump! What a breath of fresh air. Will it be that woman who lied about being Indian facing him? I thought being Indian in America was a disadvantage. Certainly Maxine has done very well considering she about a millionth Indian. Imagine how many more privileges she would have if she was really Indian. Lies and democrats go hand in hand.

It seems to me that before anyone starts to bloviate about the "socialist" boogey-man one should fully investigate the state of both human culture and of Earthkind altogether created by global capitalism under the aegis of the so called "free"-market.
This essay describes the situation http://www.da-peace.org/excerpt-two-is-not-peace
Remember too that even the word/term liberal is effectively considered to be the equivalent of a four-letter-word in right-thinking America.

From a more conventional point of view good place to start when bloviating about the "free"-market would be the two Confessions of An Economic Hitman books by John Perkins

OFF TOPIC But still about Trump

http://warontherocks.com/2019/03/cost-plus-50-and-bringing-u-s-troops-home-a-look-at-the-numbers/ advised on March 15, 2019:

"The Trump administration wants to make it more expensive for American allies to host U.S. military personnel in their country.

It reportedly intends to ask allies to drastically increase the amount they pay for hosting U.S. forces, sparking new fears that the United States will eventually withdraw from these countries entirely.

Under the so-called “cost plus 50” proposal, allies would pay for the full cost of hosting U.S. units, plus a 50 percent premium. Germany and Japan will walk the plank first..."

COMMENT

Also this May apply to the 1,100 or so US marines who are temporarily based in Darwin 6 months of each year.

Trump sure has a way of threatening America's allies. Putin did good helping Trump into the White House...

Weaker US alliances with Japan and South Korea will also make China and North Korea happy.

Well that's all he has left!

runner: It's spittle flecked, moribund hate speech like that that inspires massecres like that in the recent news in NZ. So what if some Senator is 25% native American!? What of it!? Would it help if she were a bible bashing right wing recalcitrant?

Pete: Never a truer word spoken. It's so easy to respect an ally like that, ultra priveged, draft dodging dimwit!?

Who seems to trot these things out and another round of talks with some foreign leaderwhenever the heat in kitchen of domestic affairs, gets a trifle to warm!?

And just so predicable!
Alan B.

'It's spittle flecked, moribund hate speech like that that inspires massecres like that in the recent news in NZ'

yeah Alan certainly does not take much for the foul mouthed pussy heads to turn to violence. You are a joke.

"Trump sure has a way of threatening America's allies."

Pre-Trump...omg the US has all these bases around the world which proves its an imperialistic empire that destabilises world peace for the benefit of its businesses.

Post- Trump election....omg Trump wants to close down all these bases which are so important to stabilising troubled regions to maintain world peace.

Post Trump Presidency... omg the US has all these bases around the world which proves its an imperialistic empire etc etc

Trump Derangement Syndrome in spades.

Remember when we were told how Trump was a war-monger who'd start WW3

mhaze,
You seem to be mistakenly assuming it's the same people making those objections.
Once you realise the left is not a homogenous group, you'll find it actually does make sense.

> Remember when we were told how Trump was a war-monger who'd start WW3
Yes I do. And I remember some of the Trump supporters were making exactly the same claim about Clinton.

"Yes I do. And I remember some of the Trump supporters were making exactly the same claim about Clinton."

Well actually I remember it being those further left than Hilary - how was that possible? - who made the claim.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3691261/world-war-3-hillary-clinton-presidency-is-a-mushroom-cloud-waiting-to-happen-says-jill-stein/

Thank God we got Trump, eh?

Trump needs to put right-wing extremism on trial rather than alleged/non-existent socialism! If that's all he has!?

Suggest the folks he has so cruelly promised a better deal finally wake up to the fact that his prefered policies, not those he inherited, are finally beginning to bite?

And his one term legacy?
Alan B.