mhaze,
So, suddenly mere numbers are now racist ? From 1 to 10 which is the most racist ?
Or, are you saying that preventing little kids from starving to death because their parents can't feed them in the first place is now racist ?
I think you should look up the difference between racism & starving or runaway breeding with birth control. You'll find you feel better once you understand.

Individual,

Actions have consequences. There is a very bad rape culture in Africa and Africa is set
To double it’s population in the next couple of decades. They can’t feed their population now, and the population is set to double?

This is not the fault of Western countries. This is the fault of stupid irresponsible behaviour.

We’ve poured billions in aid into Africa for decades. Nothing every improves.
I think it’s time they sorted out their own bloody population problems.
The more we help them the less they try to help themselves and turn the situation around it seems. Every new child born in Africa will grow up and need a piece of land to build a shelter or house on. This spreads them further and further into animal habitats.
The lions and tigers and elephants are being left with no land to live off.

When these big populations use fires to cook food, they burn wood, wood puts more carbon in the air when burnt, than coal does.
Why can’t they build fresh water pumps in Africa to every village, like Australia. They’ve had enough billions pored into the country. Why hasn’t that money been spent on medical clinics close to every village dispensing the pill and contraception, and looking after the health of the babies. Just what have a they done with all the decades of assistance? The Americans and European countries, know how to run a country, it’s not their fault if some races seem incapable of doing the same thing.
We’ve assisted them for years, bought the world to our universities to teach skills.

Stop blaming us for the stupidity of leaders like Mugabee and other African warlords.
Fix the bloody rape culture for a start.
People carry on as if the Western world is their nanny. We’ve fought our own battles against kings and tyrants. Let them sort themselves out.
You don’t mind helping people, but if they are still coming around to your house 50 to 100 years later, with no improvement, you start to wonder if they are incapable of improvement.

CHERFUL,
I'm 101 % in agreement with you on that ! It's in a way rather uncanny how the sitution in Africa in many ways has the same symptoms here. People are simply incapable of learning from mistakes & remain stoic in their mentality of not even trying to work on solving problems caused by minoroty groups.
The lack of discipline is of course the cause of the relentless downgrade of standards whilst greed is placed on the highest pedestals.

Vivien raises an interesting and partly valid point about over consumption by many in the western economy.
However one cannot take her seriously when she shows such a poor understanding of climate and change and the effects.
Climate change is a negligible cause in the fish deaths at the Menindee Lakes. The Lakes are now an artificial construction dependent entirely upon human controlled water flows. They were never permanent lakes supporting the fish population that has suffered with the algae bloom.
The recent widespread bush fires in Queensland were as much caused by the Greens forcing land management policies through an ALP Government that prevented both the construction of effective fire breaks and controlled burns of excessive fire fuels in both privately owned forest and State parks and reserves. None of the fires actually occurred in "wet tropics" forests. Many of these areas that burnt were either closed or open eucalypt woodlands that typically cycle through lush growth to brittle dry tinder waiting for a single spark (as can come from a dry lightning strike).
While Viviene couples her concerns to such a lack of knowledge, she must consider that many of her other conclusions may be badly flawed.

Take, if you will, an average Frenchman. He lives in a nice inner suburb of a major French city. He has a modest but more-than-adequate house for his wife and two kids. He has access to all the food he wants with an enjoyable selection from many parts of Europe. He has all the usual mod-cons imported from all around the world but mainly China. He takes public transport to work. For his holidays he drives to a reasonably near-by resort or sometimes indulges in a cruise around the Mediterranean. Like his countrymen his activities generate around 4.5mt of CO2e emissions per year.

Now suppose our Frenchman relocates to Australia. He lives in a nice inner suburb of a major Australian city. He has a modest but more-than-adequate house for his wife and two kids. He has access to all the food he wants with an enjoyable selection from many parts of Australia and the region. He has all the usual mod-cons imported from all around the world but mainly China. He takes public transport to work. For his holidays he drives to a reasonably near-by resort or sometimes indulges in a cruise around the South Pacific. Like his countrymen his activities generate around 24mt of CO2e emissions per year.

His life-style is no more luxurious than when he lived in France. But he's generate 5 times more CO2e. How?

By moving to Australia he's taken on part of the 'overhead' associated with living in a vast country dedicated to producing and exporting the wherewithal that the world needs.

Our seemingly enormous per capita emmissions has effectively nothing to do with our life-style. Living simpler would have only marginal effects on our per capita or overall emissions.

The whole notion is merely a device to get people to live as their betters decree.

Oh, and our Frenchman. He decided to do his part to save the planet by moving back to France. There you have it...save the Barrier Reef - move to Paris.

Better still, move to Nigeria (emissions 1mt/pa). Don't scoff- greatest moral challenge and all that.

"Or, are you saying that preventing little kids from starving to death because their parents can't feed them in the first place is now racist ?"

No I'm saying that advocating a fix for a perceived problem which disproportionately affects some races over others (one of those others being your own) is casual, unintended racism. As to starving, this is a separate issue and nowt to do with alleviating the supposed CO2 monster which is the issue being covered here.

The true believers are all pretty much on board with doing 'sumfing' to fix AGW. But they are all pretty much convinced someone else ought to pay for it or sacrifice for it. Reduce population to save the planet? Yep, get those people over there to do it.

Inner-city greens are all good with stopping Adani. Well a few 1000 people will lose or not get jobs, but we've all got to sacrifice, n'est pas?

If we really wanted to save the planet, we'd be on board with increasing power costs to reduce emissions. But as soon as prices rise, suddenly there's a hew and cry and governments rush to offer solutions and reduce costs. Where are those calling for sacrifice from others? Why aren't they cheering increase electricity costs?

Mr greatest-moral-challenge-of-out-time was all gung-ho for saving the planet. One method would be to increase fuel costs to reduce demand. But as soon as that happened, he tripped over himself to roll out fuel-watch and demand that prices drop. If he or his ilk or the greens really believed their hype they'd be advocating not just a doubling of electricity costs or fuel costs, but a second doubling and a third until the GBR was saved...or whatever. But it seems, getting and keeping political power overrides climate fetishism.

I'm sure, if asked, the yellow vests are down with saving the planet from the CO2 monster...but not when they have to pay.

We're all gunna die and someone (else!) should do whatever necessary to save the planet.