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A nuclear waste jobs bonanza for regional South Australia? : Comments

By Jim Green, published 27/9/2018

As with the job estimates, the estimated construction cost is wildly divergent when compared to overseas facilities.

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1.5 million deaths estimated from Chernobyl nuclear disaster
Death toll estimate from Chernobyl now around 1.5 Million -Expert (VIDEO) http://enenews.com/expert-death-toll-estimate-chernobyl-around-15-million-people-video
Title: Pr A.Yablokov and Pr C.Busby on Fukushima victim estimations .

Chernobyl area’s increasing illness and death rates
Chernobyl Children Fukushima Children 1995 “At a press conference on Tuesday, April 25, acting Health Minister Andriy Serdiuk told reporters that the total number of deaths among victims of the Chornobyl accident in the period between 1988 and 1994 is more than 125,000.” The ministry also released the sobering results of research it had conducted among 1 million residents in the three regions most affected by Chornobyl’s fallout.
Posted by ChristinaMac1, Friday, 28 September 2018 1:58:49 PM
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ChristinaMac1,

You are clearly reading and believing junk science without critical thinking. You cherry pick factoids (most of them totally wrong) from junk science and do not provide fair comparisons between technologies published by authoritative sources. You have not quoted from authoritative studies on the deaths per TWh of electricity supplied, nor the fatalities from accidents from all electricity generation technologies. I'd urge you to begin by reading the three links I gave in my previous comment, then:

Thomas, 2017, 'Quantitative guidance on how best to respond to a big nuclear accident' https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0957582017302410

Deaths per TWh by energy source
Coal – world avg 60
Coal – China 90
Coal – USA 15
Oil 36
Natural Gas 4
Biofuel/Biomass 12
Peat 12
Solar (rooftop) 0.44
Wind 0.15
Hydro – world including Banqiao) 1.4
Nuclear – world including Chernobyl and Fukushima 0.09

If each technology was required to pay insurance or compensation for the deaths caused by that technology, the amounts they would have to pay per MWh are:

Coal 141
Natural gas 38
Hydro 13
Solar 4.1
Wind 1.4
Nuclear 0.8

Suggestion: challenge your beliefs.
Posted by Peter Lang, Friday, 28 September 2018 3:32:18 PM
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In reply to Peter Lang

Well -you're cherry-picking, too.
I would take the article that you quote with a big grain of salt - it's funded by Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council - prestigious body no doubt - but hardly impartial.
Posted by ChristinaMac1, Friday, 28 September 2018 4:11:15 PM
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Christinamac1,

Clearly you lack expertise in objective research. I've quoted a number of papers. All peer reviewed in high quality, high impact academic journals. Whereas you refer to videos and junk science reports. You are clearly unable to tell the difference. And, the fact you believe totally bogus numbers of projected deaths from Chernobyl, shows you, haven't checked the basis of them, nor the much more recent updates on the Chernobyl Project, nor the authoritative estimates of future deaths from radioactive contamination from Fukushima - i.e. approximately zero!

Why don't you read then papers and consider them instead of using the classic ad hominem - who funded it. Do you ever ask who funds all the anti-nuclear scaremongering. Do you ever consider the deaths the the anti-nuclear protest movement has caused - e.g. approximately 9.5 million in 30 years:
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/10/12/2169/htm
Posted by Peter Lang, Friday, 28 September 2018 4:22:01 PM
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//1.5 million deaths estimated from Chernobyl nuclear disaster//

Oy vey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSvJaYxRoB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

I don't employ the triple facepalm lightly. But 1.5 million? Come off it, dude... I mean, even the bastion of scientific ignorance that is Greenpeace only claim 200K (a bollocks estimate, they've assumed LNT like hippies do), and you're asking us to accept another order of magnitude on top of what is already nonsense on stilts?

Reasonable estimates are about 5-10K. If you've had claimed 50K I'd have accused you of over-egging the pudding; if you'd have gone with Greenpeace's fanciful claims I'd have accused you of drinking the kool-aid... as it was, I had to literally pick myself up off the floor after I'd laughed myself out of my chair, and now put you firmly in the 'flat-earthers, young-earth creationists, and 1.5 million dead from Chernobyl' category.

Good job, keep it up.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 28 September 2018 4:28:02 PM
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responding to Peter Lang again

I am getting a little tired of the personal attacks on me.

But no matter. The truth is - due to the complexity of the issue of cancer causes, no-one really knows about the number of deaths from the Chernobyl.

The nuclear lobby focuses on deaths from high level radiation,immediately after the accident, and excludes those much later deaths from internal emitters, and from persistent low level radiation. They have very unethically done a fine job of falsely discrediting the comprehensive work of Alexey Yablokov, and later, of Chris Busby.

The World Health Organisation is subservient to the IAEA, due to its 1959 agreement with the IAEA. However, even the WHO does accept the reality of radiation caused cancers and deaths.

I quote here from a WHO report. "The international experts have estimated that radiation could cause up to about 4000 eventual deaths among the higher-exposed Chernobyl populations, i.e., emergency workers from 1986-1987, evacuees and residents of the most contaminated areas. This number contains both the known radiation-induced cancer and leukaemia deaths and a statistical prediction, based on estimates of the radiation doses received by these populations." http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/
Posted by ChristinaMac1, Friday, 28 September 2018 5:14:31 PM
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