To Aiden.

No government has any constitutional obligation to "redistribute wealth". The usual western social contract is for those very productive individuals in society who are blessed with very high intelligence and business acumen, (and who are highly paid) to be taxed at a much higher rate in order for government to help get the genuine poor people on their feet.

But the whole system falls down when a very large percentage of "poor" people learn how to game the system and figure out that they are better off living on welfare than working. And the Left side of politics aids and abets this unacceptable situation by becoming the champions of this parasitic caste by always figuring out new ways to tax the productive caste, to keep the parasites voting for the Left. The Left also supports the immigration of ethnic groups who have proven to be intractable welfare, crime, and terrorism problems in every western society they have ever immigrated into. The only rational explanation for this insanity, is because the Left see the trouble prone immigrants as a new source of votes, as well as an opportunity to swell the public service in order to "solve" the unsolvable social problems that these immigrants will import with them.

Naturally, the Left's solution to the problem of finding the finances to buy the votes of their new electorate is to squeeze the productive lemons until the pips squeak.

And here is a bit of Psychology 101 Aiden. Human being think by forming concepts based upon generalisations, and stereotypes are a form of generalisation. Everybody does it. Everybody prejudges. Everybody stereotypes. Everybody thinks subjectively most of the time. We can think objectively, but we need to perform a physical act to do it. That act is called "concentrating." But nobody walks around in a permanent state of objective concentration. Your implication is that you and your comrades are superior thinkers to us deplorables because you don't stereotype or prejudge. That is wrong. All you are doing is chanting inculcated slogans that you do not understand and have never even thought about.

LEGO,
I notice again you've failed to answer the question, so again I ask: do you consider all wealth redistribution to be vote buying?

> the whole system falls down when a very large percentage of "poor" people learn how to game the system and figure out that they are better off living on welfare than working.

Can you identify even one real world example of the system falling down in this way?
It may have escaped your attention, but Australia's already put in place measures to reduce the likelihood of anyone being better off not working. And most countries don't have as much means testing as Australia does, so the working ones would still be eligible for some of the benefits.

Your view of welfare recipients as "parasites" strongly suggests you're a sociopath, valuing money more than people. And your categorisation into a "parasitic caste" and a "productive caste" is indicative of the mental deficiencies of many on the Right: viewing productivity as an inherited characteristic, and fail to recognise the two groups are often the same people at different stages of their lives.

As for those "unsolvable social problems" immigrants bring, ITYF most of them have actually been solved already!

Regarding thinking objectively, you should get more practice! Everything you're unfamiliar with initially requires a lot of concentration, but with a bit of practice it'll soon become second nature. Meanwhile I'm not asking you to walk round in a permanent state of objective concentration, but if concentration's so alien to you that you're unable to do it when writing on this board, I suggest you don't bother posting.

>All you are doing is chanting inculcated slogans that you do not understand and have never even thought about.

That's yet another of those views of yours that is based on a stereotype that bears no relation whatsoever to the truth. Yet I'm curious as to what inculcated slogans you think I'm chanting? And why do you think I don't understand and have never thought about them? Is is just because I haven't reached the same idiotic conclusions as you?

To Aiden.

I thought I answered your question in detail. Your euphemism "wealth redistribution" could mean anything. Armed robbery can reasonably be considered "wealth redistribution", but I presumed you meant the principle, that those with greater wealth in the community pay a larger share of tax than the poorer members. In principle I support that measure. The problem is, that at what point does "wealth redistribution" simply become "legalized theft from the productive" to buy the votes of the least productive and counter productive?

So to answer your question more specifically, I do not consider all "wealth redistribution" in contemporary western societies today as vote buying, just most of it.

My opinions as to parasites comes from being raised in poverty in a Housing Commission block of 84 units, and living among parasites. As an instructive social exercise, I learned a few things. The first, is that social welfare can be beneficial in helping the deserving poor to get on their feet and become upwardly mobile. The second, was that there are a large percentage of people to whom being professional social welfare recipients, preferably on the disability pension, is their primary goal in life. If you haven't figured that out yet, than you were obviously raised in a leafy suburb and was sheltered from life's unpleasant realities by your father's income.

Another thing I learned, was that intergenerational welfare dependence was primarily a product of low intelligence. The idea that classes are equal is complete socialist claptrap. Generally speaking, the smartest are at the top and the dumbest at the bottom. Smart poor people are (like my mother and myself) upwardly mobile.

As for "solving" the problems of imported dumb people, I suppose your are right. Such "solutions" include "diversity bollards" in our streets. Vastly increased security forces. Very serious restrictions on our cherished civil liberties through anti terrorism legislation. Vastly expanded police, courts, prisons and welfare services. Armed guards outside of newspaper offices and Jewish schools. And the fortification of every vital government department with steel gates and security guards.

And that is just for starters. Some "solution."