This is long-term vision, Alan, that will make perfect sense when a second phase completes the circle.

Your comments are like an echo from the past when the then equally controversial Sydney harbour bridge was proposed.

Too big too costly and a bridge to nowhere, was typical of many of the naysayers' laments.

Today this same farsighted project has paid for itself, many times over! But conversely, were we to have been guided by the chorus line of detractors and left a hundred years later to build, the new cost would have multiplied a thousandfold!

And that's what'll happen to the loop if left until we're compelled to build it.

I commend the Andrew's government for standing almost alone, with rare future vision and more needed now than ever before, in our parliamentary history.

Just do it!

Or get out of the way of those who can!

Our forebears built today's Australia, with fewer people and much less revenue.

But then we had leaders prepared to stick to their vision and argue for it.

Arguably the even more controversial bridge had a greater percentage of naysaying detractors with no future vision or financial smarts. but our farsighted forbears built it anyway!

And that's what we should do with the loop which will make even more sense with very fast train and low cost, thorium-based energy!
Alan B.

The first thing they should do is make bus maps available (and displayed at stops) so people can see how to get to their destination. Currently they only have the electronic version, and it's split into different regions with no key map to tell you you which is which!

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Alan B.,
Any evidence that people thought the SHB was a bridge to nowhere? Considering the large number of cross harbour ferries, it seems unlikely to me.

[Note: I'm NOT asking for evidence that some considered it too costly. I know there's plenty of evidence of that opinion, and amazingly some still hold it!]

And WTF do you mean by "when a second phase completes the circle"? Are you really advocating a long tunnel under Port Phillip Bay?

Why do you think this loop is so much more urgently needed than the other infrastructure?

They should use the off-cuts of circumcisions as use for eye lids. The recipients would appear kock-eyed but imagine the foresight they'd gain.

It's Labor. It won't get built just recycled, as in re-announced every election cycle.