LGBT and other minorities fighting against Islamophobia are like a flock of chickens fighting against foxophobia.

Speaking of a conspiracy of silence, and the dark shadow of the applied politics of the trumpenfuhrer why not check out the essay by Lee Camp titled Trump's Military Drops a Bomb Every 12 Minutes and No One Is Talking About It. Especially the "conservative" or right wing media and all of the dreadfully sane "conservative" commentariat

The trumpenfuhrer is of course just extending the actions of his predatory predecessors, as explained in the essay by Lee Camp. And of applied USA foreign policy beginning with the invasion of the Philippines.

Nobody should be killed for being a homosexual, just so that's clear. But I don't know how anyone could get the idea that the Left – media, politicians and odds and sods nut jobs – care what happens to homosexuals or anything that might happen to them. Homosexuals, the poor silly things, were being used by the Left to wreck the family, which is something they had no control over. They have succeeded in doing this, and they have no more use for homosexuals. They are on their own.

Hard to comment on something one has never heard about!

So ISIS is killing folk for being gay or different or nonconforming? So, what else is new and what if anything? Do you expect the rest of humanity to do about any of it?

If the murderous thugs are hell-bent on wiping out all local popular resistance and succeeding?

Whose fault is that? Our's or the gutless victims? Who have just two choices, die on your knees begging for mercy or on your feet fighting for your life and liberty.

I remember when a madman with a gun, Bryant started firing into a crowded Hobart restaurant while his victims lay there screaming, waiting their turn to be butchered.

When just one pot of boiling coffee flung in the killer's face could have prevented most of the killing! And could have been followed by the then captured weapon being turned on its owner, with the same mercy he'd just shown his victims.

And what needs to happen there! No boiling coffee? Try a handful of sand!

Kind words and empathy won't help, just embolden the perpetrators.
Alan B.

Nice to see that diver dan’s post was completely removed. To suggest (in response to ttbn’s obvious qualification) that homosexuals be killed for just being who they are is utterly horrifying and evil.

diver dan,

Another post like that and I will report you to the police. Your posting history is already chockers with homicidal sentiments towards gay people as it is; there's plenty there to potentially have you at least put on a watchlist. Don’t think your pseudonym hides your identity, either. You still have an IP address.

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For many on the left of the political spectrum, the problem of Islam is a credibility-destroying blind spot. There appears to be a hierarchy of priorities for much of the left that goes a little something like this:

1. Diversity and ethnic/religious minorities
2. LGBT issues
3. Women’s issues
4. etc., etc…

Therefore, if a Muslim says or does something homophobic or sexist, they cannot comment on it or even acknowledge it, as protecting ethnic/religious minorities must supersede the protection of LGBT minorities and women.

“I’m a gay man. I’d love to have gay marriage approved by the Catholic Church. You know, they’re not going to. Meantime, I really, really wish that people would reserve their ire for the people who don’t just want to stop me marrying but want to throw me off a cliff.” - Douglas Murray

http://youtu.be/5CcudUk7620?list=FL3coCh6UfkfLwAZG-30un5w&t=806
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'd wager that a contributor to this silence among the left has to do with suporting anything that has become an issue they support. In politics and in debates, I see people minimize current events, or ignore them outright if they can weaken their causes. Even fight against the outcry that occurs in the aftermath of horrible current events, because it can be used to fight against the greater good they've worked for with one cause or another.

So if the politics of the left culture harmonize with Islam and tolerance towards it, then this silence shouldn't be a surprise. For me though it is surprising. How widespread Islamic reaction to homosexuals is is a giant red flag to other issues around Islam, and Islam itself. It is also a giant red flag to activists and left leaning politics.

Russell Grenning, thank you for the spotlight on this matter.

We need to bear in mind that there is not a complete silence, Not_Now.Soon.

<<…I'd wager that a contributor to this silence among the left has to do with suporting anything that has become an issue they support.>>

Remember that one of the most vocal people against the doctrine of Islam (i.e. Sam Harris) is himself a lefty. Sorry, a LEFTIST. (I always forget to include that emotive -ist at the end there. It sounds so much more dogmatic when put like that, doesn't it?)

<<So if the politics of the left culture harmonize with Islam and tolerance towards it, then this silence shouldn't be a surprise. For me though it is surprising.>>

Yes, it is surprising for you precisely because it does NOT harmonise with it.

<<Russell Grenning, thank you for the spotlight on this matter.>>

Yeah, on OLO at least. Out there in the real world, and contrary to the right-wing ignoramuses on OLO, this has become a major issue that the left has understood for a while now needs sorting out very quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r3H9--2nS0

The right side of politics has always had the benefit of being simplistic. They do, after all, crave certainty and have an intolerance for ambiguity:

http://sci-hub.tw/10.2307/3790960
http://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

So there is little to nothing for them to sort out. Me personally? I find ambiguity a challenge and thrive on it. The world is, after all, very ambiguous; no matter how much our preferred politics compels us to dampen that with comforting certainties.

Daffy Duck. Just a quick update on your comment re-the Philipines.

The US was requested to assist the Philipine resistance movement to help in ejecting the Spanish colonial rule at the time. Having done this, the then new Philipine government requested the US government retain a militare presence to ensure their independance.

Following much congressional debate regarding the expense of the exercise, during that debate, the most vociferous objection surrounded the debate was NOT the expence involved, but the fact that the USA was NOT a colonialist government, having recently faught a war to gain independance from a colonialist state (England). (Read the cogressional debate).

Additionally, the US faught a civil war which was (in part) a war against the ‘golden circle’ movement that wanted to incorporate (by force) Cuba, Mexico and other caribean countries. Please note, the USA has NEVER been a colonialist country.

AJP says:

*…Nice to see that diver dan’s post was completely removed. To suggest (in response to ttbn’s obvious qualification) that homosexuals be killed for just being who they are is utterly horrifying and evil…*

obviously the removal of a post with a simple question makes you happy AJP.
My question to ttbn on his “suck” to gays, was with a design purpose of promoting thought and debate.

Confronting? Not to my mind. One third of the world population is Muslim. The expectation of them among themselves is to support anti-homosexual behaviour. Murdering homosexuals is admittedly extreme, and the extremity of that action would not be universally accepted among them. But interestingly, many Christians believe in the same extreme measures.

The war created against the norms of society by homosexuals, was won on the strength of the war lost by religions of all colours, against secularism.

It's not a happy end, and a counter attack will be inevitable. ISIS is the shining example. But more will follow I have no doubt.

Prompete, perhaps you should do a search on the topic American slaughter in the Philippines.

Daffy. Could you supply a link please? Always happy to be set strait on historic evidence. Thanks, Pete.

Isn't it general knowlege that the Left stays silent on everything resembling inconvenient truth ?

It's nonsense to suggest that "the left" (when you're on the extreme right, everybody is on the left - even moderates)is selectively "silent" on abuse.
If anything it's the "right" that gratuitously condemns all anti-social and specifically Islamic practices except those rampant by their buddies, Saudi Arabia. For some reason they are kept off the agenda.

To Individual.

Don't most people hide inconvenient truths? It might be less a symptom of left and right then just a condition of people not wanting to face their faults.

On the other hand. A question I'd like to know though is why there is so much support from liberal philosophy towards Islam, that horrible crimes can be dismissed or ignored while other things in society are blown out of proportion such as what people say and how they say it becomes huge issues that demand action and are the cause of why there's a counter movement against PC.

We used to be a tolerant open society before we butchered it with the post-war migration of intolerant xenophobes and homophobes?

Albeit, we have always had a homegrown element of ignorance personified, homophobia!

We need to, return to sender, all those incompatible cultures that came here then tried to remake us in their own, highly flawed, hate-laced (Hansonized) image.

What we don't need is open door migration, but rather a policy that selects compatible cultures that meld seamlessly with the preexisting, dominant Christian culture. Be they black, white or brindle!

Which must result in many being returned to lands predominately Islamic!

Sh!te stirring DD. Top of my list, of soon to be, expatriates, and for good reason!
Alan B.

Thanks Al :-))

I want to return to the Scottish Isles , that'd be great, thanks!

Not_Now.Soon,

The two are actually related, so some extent.

<<A question I'd like to know though is why there is so much support from liberal philosophy towards Islam, that horrible crimes can be dismissed or ignored while other things in society are blown out of proportion such as what people say and how they say it becomes huge issues that demand action and are the cause of why there's a counter movement against PC.>>

By not focusing on the harm caused by Islam, some on the left (those whom are now often referred to as the “regressive left”) see the lack of attention they pay to the Islamic element of atrocities and injustices, or the reasoning they use to divert the blame away from Islam (often by placing a disproportionate level of the blame for radical Islam on foreign policy), as a similar form of harm minimisation since there is no risk of marginalising Islamic minorities by diverting blame from their religion.

Another reason is that many on the left are simply terrified of being racist/xenophobic, or being perceived to be racist/xenophobic.

The first two videos I linked to earlier provides some further hints. Then there’s the point I made earlier about a hierarchy of social justice priorities.

Douglas Murray explains the western guilt aspect of it very eloquently in the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUmDrcqPuqA

What never fails to amuse me is that the left's protection and
excusing the actions of Muslims has never given them cause to think
about how their very beliefs puts them at the top of the list next
to Jews, Christians and atheists to be given the three choices;
Submit to Islam, pay the Jizya tax to any Muslem that demands it, or die.

If you think that is some 7th century practise then they may be
surprised when looking down the barrel of an Islamic gun.

Don't most people hide inconvenient truths?
Not_Now.Soon,
Of course they do but we're talking right out attrocities & blatant disregard for our future. Look how many WW2 movies are still perpetuating the horrible times of Germany. They're not letting up on that but when it comes to medieval cranks in today's world it somehow gets the issue clouded to the extent of straight out excuse & in some terrible cases, just short of justified.
The real problem with our own people is that they've had it too good & easy for too long, they're going totally insane in their futile pursuit of idealism.

To Indivual.

It's not that I disagree with you, or the severity of the difference. However I think a judgment that can be applied to basically everyone has to be recoginized that it's shared by everyone, or at the very least given the distinction of why it's worse for those under critism. At the very least anyways, and you've done that.

Not_Now.Soon,

You are desperate if you think that you you are going to extract any sense or wisdom out of individual. His posts are basically meaningless sound bites that are only ever delivered in short, singular paragraph replies because he is not capable of anything resembling a considered thought. And neither are you, going by your last response:

<<…I think a judgment that can be applied to basically everyone has to be recoginized that it's shared by everyone, or at the very least given the distinction of why it's worse for those under critism.>>

This statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It sounds like you got it from the Jordan Peterson word salad generator.

http://www.wisdomofpeterson.com

"Pinocchio as the hero archetype is the path to boundless facts, roughly speaking."

<<At the very least anyways, and you've done that.>>

‘Anyways’ is not a word, no matter how much the charlatan, Jordan Peterson, wants to make it so. It’s ‘anyway’. That’s is. There cannot, by any rule of the English language, be a plural there. ‘Anyways’ is not a word. It is yet another North American bastardisation of the delicate an beautiful language we have come to know as ‘English’.

AJ Philips,
I don't see the need to write my comments laced with jargon just to get a message through.
You'd be surprised how those who care & think at the same time understand what I'm on about. Remember not everyone's impressed by an overdose of fancy academic rhetoric that doesn't even come anywhere near the issue discussed.
The issue here is the conspiracy of silence by the Left in case you missed it.

To Indivual.

Don't worry about Philllips. He's been lashing out towards me due to a previous conversation. Sorry to get you sucked into it.

Since this article came out I've tried to google gaza killings of homosexuals. The closest I found was a critism that Isreal was just as bad as Palestinians. It does make me think this news (and simular news stories) are suppressed. Because though it's hinted at being there, it's only hinted at admitting there's a problem when pointing the blame on Israel.

There has been a few videos of homosexuals being thrown off roofs.
They should show up on a google search although they may have been
removed because of Islamaphobia complaints.

Thanks Bazz. I'll keep that in mind and look it up when I get a chance.

When enough of the short-sighted liberal left welcoming committee girls get gang raped, and they realise that Islam does not want to integrate into the West; nor does not want equality or inclusiveness, but to destroy the West and take humanity back to the stone age;
When enough of them realise their mistake, it will be far too late to change and they will also most likely be the first ones to pack their bags and get the hell out of here (since they never really loved or supported the country in the first place) and leave the rest of us to deal with the absolute hellhole it will inevitably become.

http://www.infowars.com/german-refugee-worker-admits-she-was-wrong-plans-to-move-to-poland/