Alan B.,
"wind towers needs to turn for around thirty years before they actually compensate for all the carbon created in their manufacture"
What is your source for this extraordinary claim? Could it perhaps be something that was published in the 20th century before we got good at making wind turbines?

"Solar voltaic creates mountains of environment harming toxic waste"
Not mountains, but like other semiconductor industry products it does produce waste which must be managed.

"And they can only supply intermittent unreliable power!"
The power from solar PV is not dispatchable but it's disingenuous to claim this amounts to unreliability, and EXTREMELY disingenuous to suggest it would cause steel mills to abruptly shut down. Nobody's stupid enough to suggest that steel mills should only run on PV with no backup. But it will probably become feasible for steel mills to schedule their operations to exploit cheap solar power.

"Makes one think doesn't it? Herr Hitler was a tree hugging vegan"
Well you're obviously not the one who it makes think, since you've blindly parroted a debunked myth. In reality Hitler wasn't a vegetarian, let alone a vegan.

As for your libellous claims against me:
It seems almost every time when you lose a logical argument you resort to ad hominems - often vicious and sometimes outright libellous. Now for a troll who libellously accuses me of being a St.Petersburg troll just because I've said something you don't want to hear, no insult I could come up with is as vicious as you deserve. Yet for the benefit of other readers, I keep the insults very tame and use them only sparingly - usually only as a response to someone insulting me, though occasionally in response to people posting the same debunked claims over and over again.

And IIRC what I said was that I'd never been to St.Petersburg, and the closest I've been to any part of Russia was when I flew over it. There's no contradiction; the last time I flew over any part of Russia was November 2003.

I'll respond to your points about thorium tomorrow.

Hasbeen, you're right. There's a lot of wishful thinking on display here. Top of the list is that somebody/anybody, will finance a new coal fired power station or a new coal mine!

Second that our resident Russian troll will stick to the facts or read/listen to the material by the. listed by me, eminent experts, who are unquestionably leaders in their respective fields. Or that you, ttbn and diver would?

That Adian would respond from his own store of knowledge instead of tomorrow from wikipedia or some bogus link, or develop some manners or respect for his elders! Be less economical with the truth!

Stop threatening libel when folk return serve for once! If he can and does dish it out, he needs to be able to cop it sweet instead of resorting to a bully boys bluster and bellicose belligerence so typical of ill mannered Russians!

That the thinkers in the room would stop wishing we hadn't signed that pesky non proliferation treaty! And therefore be free to build several light water reactors, now that funding for coal is completely dried up.

That our alleged leaders would face facts and the evidence and just stop prevaricating, trying to talk new coal fired power funding into existence and understand, there's money out there for thorium R+D! That they just need to get themselves and their, thou shall not, government created prohibition,, rules and regs out of the statute books and the way!

That Adian would finally understand, in a land where free speech is rigorously protected and defended in law, one can't be libelous when voicing an opinion. And legally speaking everything posted or presented in OLO is just that and by both definition and inference! This is not his Russia!
Alan B.

Alan B.,
'm not threatening you with libel; I'm accusing you of libel. This accusation would itself be libellous were it not true, but your false accusations of me being a Russian troll are there for all to see. People have been sued for less, though I've no intention of doing so.

As for thorium: it decays into fissile U233 after absorbing a neutron. And thorium (or U233) reactors do produce Xe133 (not exclusively AIUI, but far more than other xenon isotopes).

Something you appear to have failed to understand is that Xe133 does not have the extraordinary neutron capture ability that Xe135 does. Because of Xe133's very long half life, its environmental effects are insignificant, though it's still worth capturing due to its value for medical use.

Thorium power and molten salt reactors do have great potential. But nobody has built a commercially viable one yet, and there are technical problems that will take time to overcome. I suggest you research them. But I doubt you will, as you seem to be stuck on shoot-the-messenger bigot mode.

Nuclear energy isn't justified to be developed further, and especially not for commercial use.
It's just too much risk.
See debate at DebateIsland.com on this topic

http://www.debateisland.com/discussion/1762/is-it-justified-to-develop-nuclear-energy-for-commercial-use

Hi Debate,

Risk ? Like in France or Finland, you mean ?