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Feminism’s clay feet exposed on British television : Comments

By Bettina Arndt, published 25/1/2018

Others are naming TV journalist Cathy Newman's grilling of Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson as a pivotal moment exposing modern feminism's clay feet.

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I watched the interview and it seemed to me that he was making the age-old argument that the gender pay gap is largely due to women's choices, not the patriarchal system.

According to Peterson, women choose lower paid careers (but he's vague about why those careers are so low paid). According to Peterson, women are more agreeable than men, and so, don't aggressively compete with men within a male system (but he's vague about what conditioning makes women so agreeable, but not men).

As for the 'Gotcha' response ... this was typical male bullying. She was merely taking a moment to process what he said. He used the opportunity to declare a victory. That is the real reason that 'this formidable man attracts literally millions of followers online'. There is a huge anti-feminist movement online. That movement trawls every nook and cranny to reveal a male pundit who, in their view, 'demolishes' a feminist argument.

In other words, a man who puts an uppity woman in her place.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 25 January 2018 9:59:20 PM
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Hear, hear and well said, Killarney!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 26 January 2018 9:05:53 AM
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As much as I respect Arndt's opinion, and as much as I admire Peterson's work and methods, I think its always fraught to 'see' or identify "pivotal moment[s]" this close to the event.

Maybe we can look back in a year or three and accept that this was indeed a watershed event, but we are too close to it just now to know.

The ability of the left to just ignore data that they don't want to be true, the ability of the mass media and their internet allies, to bury unwanted information and the fact that this type of thing requires more than a twitter meme to understand it, all means, to me, that this won't change much.

For example, the notion of the gender pay gap is just too useful for the SJW-brigade to allow mere facts to limit its use. So Peterson's 'victory' there means nought. Ditto the claimed right against being offended.

Perhaps the one thing that Peterson has achieved is to show others how to confront and cower those who elevate feelings over facts. If that lesson is learned then it might indeed become a watershed moment.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 January 2018 10:04:22 AM
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Killarney, he didn't put her in her place, she did it all by herself.
Trying to use that totally debunked gender pay gap argument was an embarrassment she will never live down.
Posted by Big Nana, Friday, 26 January 2018 11:43:48 AM
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Evidence may be gleaned in previously male dominated areas women have moved into. Education is such an area.

An aspect of this move has been much being part-time to balance family commitments where a male partner is the major bread-winner. When time comes to stand up for better conditions, due to having consequences more for discretionary spending than survival, the part-timers backed by bread-winners temper group militancy that may lead to better outcomes. This may give the appearance of gender based conflict aversion/agreeableness.

I believe GP's may become similarly impacted in time, and may become public servants in public clinics and hospitals in the truer sense of servitude.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 26 January 2018 12:03:02 PM
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OTOH, I'm sure clinical psychs have valid ways of measuring agreeableness. Any challenge has to be aimed at the measuring instrument.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 26 January 2018 12:15:36 PM
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