Yes David, as always it's those pesky Palestinians to blame even as the Middle East lurches closer and closer to Armageddon.

You say, the PLO, ditched Trump? Perhaps, but only after Trump had clearly ditched them!

I hope the Palestinians are successful in being recognised as a sovereign state by the UN and Europe. If only to underline the real facts here? That the alleged state of Israel, stands on stolen land, and progressively steals more and more of it!

Has absolutely no appetite for a negotiated peace, which simply has to include a two state solution! Unwanted by the Israelis as that would end the illegal settlements and or their continued expansion!

All while clever men use their wordsmith abilities and cleverly crafted (kangaroo court) laws to give an alleged semblance of legality to an ongoing land theft!
Alan B.

The tide of history is moving against the so-called Palestinians.

While it would be in the best interest of these people to recognise the changed environment and recalibrate their policies, the tragedy is its in the best interests of their leadership to continue to fight the old fight.

The leadership would rather lead a diminished and poorer peoples than see new policies that may enhance their peoples but diminishes their leadership.

T'was always thus.

and the genocidal, ethnic cleansing continues.
Your god would be so proud singer.

At least nowadays thanks to the Internet, news and views other than that from the Western mainstream media, which is under strong Zionist influence have been getting much more circulation than in the past. It now seems that the more the majority of people find out about Israel, which is effectively a Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine, the less they support it.

Is important to note that while effectively Zionists have been claiming they have a right to a Jewish homeland in Palestine because their ancestors long ago originally came from there, examination of facts shows this is largely a lie. Seems a large proportion of Jews in Israel nowadays have Ashkenazi family background. They originally came from the Kingdom of Khazaria, around 1,200 km away - to the north and west of present day Georgia.

Around 800 years ago this kingdom was destroyed by the Russians and Persians, who were sick of the entrenched crooked practices of their neighbours.. The Khazarians largely nominally followed the Jewish religion because around 500 years before, Russians and Persians had demanded they follow one of the Abrahamic religions in an attempt to improve their moral standards. Many of these Khazarian Jews managed to flee and disperse themselves around Europe. There is a list of over a hundred instances where Jews have been kicked out of jurisdictions because they have antagonised other established residents - mainly since this incident.

Have seen reports that maybe the majority of Jews living in Israel would like to emigrate if there were any better places they could go to easily. Also, the Jewish state as it is can only be kept in the middle of an area with different cultural values by using force or threat of it. If the massive support given to Israel by the US especially and a few other countries was withdrawn, its present form with a group of largely immigrant settlers having more rights and privileges than the "traditional" owners, the Palestinians would probably soon disappear.

A lie is a lie, not so much when it is discovered, but when it is believed to be so and when the truth is an inconvenience.
As regards to the Palestinians, the reality is that an education comes at a cost, and they were not willing to learn even if by imitating the Zionists.
They were told they would be looked after and they made the mistake of believing.
Freedoms come at a cost, but first you have to make a stand.
Personally I believe the Gazans have an opportunity for statehood but the west bank will be squandered as the PA lost it's political soul years ago.
As the Irish situation is still ongoing, so too will the Palestinian cause, and the Zionists have yet to learn this 'cos the day the game changer will be when the Palestinians get a true leader instead of the leech Abbas.
The more children the Israeli's kill and abuse, the less any peaceful solution will be found and whipping up Holocaust memories won't work because the new generations have no interest about the sins of their fathers........and puleeze spare me the 'the Palestinians did it first' because they didn't.
They were just dumb shmuck goat herders who didn't know how to play the game.

Alan B
It follows, that if the Arabs regard the descendants of the Jewish refugees as on stolen
land, then why should not Europe and Western countries accuse Muslim and Arab refugees of stealing Western land by flooding into those countries.

Also, the Arab imams conspired and colluded with Hitler against the Jews in WW2.
So you cant use the argument about American interference means Arabs have a right to flood into European and Western lands.

Mox

You say that Jews would like to emigrate to escape the situation in Palestine.

Why not Offer all the Jews places in Europe and send all the Arab refugees and immigrants into European and Western countries back to Israel and Palestine.

After all , the Muslims in Europe are taking over large suburban areas and villages where they have their own laws in Britain,and other Western countries. That seems to be very similar to the Jewish sutuation in Palestine that these very same Arabs complain about as doing the same thing.

To Cherful regarding comments above especially: I saw a comment somewhere recently from a Jew who apparently held Israel in low regard that the United States is the best and safest homeland that Jews have ever had. May be a better and cheaper alternative for the USA to invite immigration by Jews from Israel instead of giving massive support to help maintain the present apartheid state. Undoubtedly some Jews of the type who can get on with Palestinians would choose to stay and probably many of them would be among community leaders.

Regarding Muslim immigrants in Western countries, they are probably initially like any sizeable immigrant group from another country with a significantly different culture and maybe another main language. Usually the next generation largely assimilate with the mainstream of the country.

Of particular interest regarding Muslims in UK especially is the website www.ex-muslim.org.uk. One aim of it is to help those wishing to renounce Islam overcome family and other social pressures.

Another interesting situation is at Shepparton, Victoria, where the local Albanian community has had a mosque since 1960. Apparently lately it has had an influx of new Muslim arrivals while as for mainstream Christian churches, many of the younger generation have not followed their parents as attenders. Gather there are five mosques run by different ethnic groups around Shepparton area now plus an Iraqi one at Cobram. Is also a Sikh temple. Long ago there was a Jewish synagogue but Jews either moved away or became non religious. There is an Interfaith Council, a loose association of religious leaders in the area.

It remains to be seen how much long term effect large scale Muslim immigration has. Maybe not as much as those largely behind policies of Western countries that have created wars and the refugee problem from those fleeing them. ie Jews with Zionist philosophies and some non Jewish supporters. It has always been part of culture of many Jews that they are better than non Jews or "goyim". Frequently the they antagonise enough of the general population to the extent that over the last several hundred years, there are over a hundred documented instances of Jews being kicked out of jurisdictions.

Will be interesting to see if the PLO ditching Trump combined with BDS (ie Boycott Divestment Sanctions) against Israel plus increasing exposure of the sordid sides of it will result in the demise of the present state and "regime change".

mox
Western countries actually put an end to war when they stopped the war mongers Hitler and Japan who started world war 2, Although world war 2, really came about because of the ongoing economic hardship created in Germany by the Great Depression.

You forget Saddam Husseins invasion of Kuwait. America went in with Untied Nations blessings to liberate Kuwait from the rape and plunder. An Arab country waging war
stopped by a Western country.

The Ottomon Empire killed 7 million people under their conquest of the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
I dont think you can point the finger at Western countries as the only instigators of war.

//the Muslims in Europe are taking over large suburban areas and villages where they have their own laws in Britain//

No, they don't. The only parts of Britain where UK law doesn't apply are embassies. You have been told a lie. It's a shame that you're so gullible you just believed it without first doing some simple fact checking, like, I dunno.... asking an Englishman.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp