Dear Albie

I fear You, like Hasbeen, like Me

fear for the Sanctity

of our submarine Navy.

Cheers

Planty
http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/

Unless this discussion is restricted to nuclear submarines it is a
waste of time.
Just buy three or four nuclear subs from the US and forget the diesel
subs tied up at the dock. Along side of them will be the rest of the
navy fleet and in paddocks around Australia will be the armies trucks.

Any fuel still in place will be seized for farms for harvesting and
to fuel trucks and trains to feed the cities and towns.

The politicians have not realised that Australia is defenseless and
and would have to go to a gorilla type warfare

Sure Bazz

Pushing aside all Australia's political realities - including any Coalition or Labor Government that follows your advice losing office, Federally and in South Australia

and America's total lack of enthusiam.

and if Trump did make a decision http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

denying the US Navy any Virginia subs for four years

and if the subs were ordered with that 10 year lead-time.

and if we did pay the odd $5 Billion per sub upfront purchase price before the other $60 Billion fixed costs.

And if the dead cat bouncing did hit the ceiling before hell froze over...

Nope.

And Bazz and other Nuclear Sub advocates

Problem is no country will allow Australia to build its Top Secret designed Nuclear Subs in Australia. Never happens, never in history.

The essential thing for sp many is Australia CAN build conventional submarines (SSKs) which keeps:

- Federal and State Governments and Treasuries happy

- Federal and State taxpayers and under-employed happy

- Federal and State voters happy

- Federal and State opposition politicians happy

- Unions happy, and

- even the RAN happy.

Abbott lost office for proposing Japan build Australia's future conventional subs.

Cheers

What part of the RAN does it keep happy plantagenet? The top brass are proving too incompetent with highly technical items. They are just not educated to fight the next war.

It matters not very much if they are happy anyway, because without sailors they are no more effective than Hitler in the last weeks of WW11. The current fleet has proven we can't get sailors to man "B" grade subs, or "B" grade anything else for that matter.

I guess the population doesn't count either. They will only find out they have been sold a pup, just as they find we have lost our navy.

OK Plantagenet, so nuclear is out, there is no alternative.
No fuel for ships anyway so why bother.
Do what the Japs did in Malaysia, bicycles for the army.
In reality, it does come down to that.
It should be a priority for the government to build a couple of
refineries, and take over the last couple before they are closed.
I think we are still exporting about 300k barrels of oil a day.
So one refinery on the west coast and one on the east coast would seem a minimum.
They would be open to attack from the sea.
The government did not even take the NRMA report seriously.

Just a thought, convert army trucks to steam power.