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How the Turnbull government stole Christmas : Comments

By Graeme McLeay, published 27/12/2017

The Turnbull Government may have hoped releasing Australia’s latest greenhouse gas emissions together with the 2017 Climate Reportwould pass unnoticed.

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Quote "are as boring as bat droppings and totallly insignificant when compared with the emissions of countries like China and India."

And they pale into insignificant by comparison to mother natures contribution like volcanoes.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 5:36:00 PM
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“What is the science telling us? That the globe is warming, that polar ice is diminishing, and that seasonal climate variations are becoming more extreme, are all verifiable facts. The only satisfactory explanation for these effects is a rise in greenhouse gases.” This is ideology. There is no empirical scientific evidence to substantiate the assertion that “the only satisfactory explanation for these effects is a rise in greenhouse gases.” “However, 3,000 deaths per year in Australia can be linked to air pollution, at a cost of between $11 billion and $24 billion.” The ‘good’ doctor should look in his own patch. He should be aware of his colleagues’ abuse of the ethical principle of ‘do no harm’. Yet, about 100,000 unborn babies are killed per year in Australia due to his ‘professional’ colleagues’ involvement in administering abortions. The cost of these lives foregone to the nation would far exceed $24 billion. All of these deaths are preventable.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 6:23:41 PM
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Edited version:

“What is the science telling us?
That the globe is warming, that polar ice is diminishing, and that seasonal climate variations are becoming more extreme, are all verifiable facts. The only satisfactory explanation for these effects is a rise in greenhouse gases.”

This is ideology. There is no empirical scientific evidence to substantiate the assertion that “the only satisfactory explanation for these effects is a rise in greenhouse gases.”

“However, 3,000 deaths per year in Australia can be linked to air pollution, at a cost of between $11 billion and $24 billion.”

The ‘good’ doctor should look in his own patch. He should be aware of his colleagues’ abuse of the ethical principle of ‘do no harm’ -- about 100,000 unborn babies are killed per year in Australia due to his ‘professional’ colleagues’ involvement in administering abortions. The cost of these lives foregone to the nation would far exceed $24 billion. All of these deaths are preventable.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 7:27:27 PM
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Energy estimated to cost just $00.1.98, our solution to our economic malaise and energy crisis/changes everything!

How do we know it can be that cheap?

We know almost to the last gram, what several operational thorium powered reactors used. Can deduce, one ton of thorium produces as much energy in a 350 MW, molten salt reactor, as 2551 tons of uranium, in a 350 MW light water reactor.

Moreover, thorium common as lead, whereas costly uranium rare as platinum! Needs expensive enrichment as well!

Not required for thorium metal!

Molten salt technology can and does use uranium. However, given cost comparisons? Equivalent to burning methanol refined from an aged single malt whiskey to power your car, in preference to the local BP pump!

In comparison, a daft waste of money! Not that the hypothetical whiskey refiner would be perturbed, except if you stopped buying his product!

Given the extrapolated cost comparisons, thorium cheaper than coal, when you compare the tonnage required to power either variant over the same 50 year, time frame.

Power that cheap that produces heat coal can't look at, allows a massive range of new industries/industrial applications! With none of the pressure vessel requirements of light water uranium reactors, containing, as much as, 300 atmospheres?

Whereas, the already tried tested and not found wanting, molten salt thorium, able to operate at normal atmospheric pressure.

People can bury their head, pretend the climate isn't heating up, when all the normal cyclical indicators tell us the joint shouldn't be warming.

Even so, we never ever need to cripple our economy to deal with it. Just allow research and development into molten salt thorium!

When we've established how much cheaper it is, use it and deionization dialysis desalination, to drought proof Australia and set her up for the next boom, the food boom! From deserts made to bloom!

Maybe then our economic circumstances may pick up enough, so at least mothers can actually chose/afford to go full term and become stay at home, full time Mums!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 9:29:07 PM
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I find it absolutely incredible that there are still people who actually believe the CO2 greenhouse fraud.

That there are hundreds of thousands that use it to fill their pockets I can totally understand, but am sure none of these carpetbaggers actually believe the myth.

With the amount of data published in the last couple of years totally disproving that CO2 is nothing more than a minor bit player in climate, but a major force in the greening of the planet, no one not riding the gravy train should be in any doubt by now.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 11:03:23 PM
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Graeme Mcleay says:” The only satisfactory explanation for these effects is a rise in greenhouse gases.”.
This baseless nonsense has been asserted before as part of the climate fraud, but fails miserably because there is no science to show any measurable human effect on climate.
As observed by Professor Robert Carter, some time ago, and still fully applicable today:
“It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinctfrom natural variation."

You are just another fraud supporter, Graeme,through ignorance if you are unaware of the science, and dishonesty if you are aware that there is no science to support it, but support the fraud anyway.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 28 December 2017 2:01:11 AM
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