Killarney, "Could we not accept that sexual exploitation exists in the film industry?"

The risk is that the public and influential people can just shrug it off as an 'already known' about the entertainment and arts industry.

Some of the used-to-be celebs in Australia who are commenting or may have stories from their own reconstructed memories to relate, have been known for their own lurid stories and boasting of the parties after Logies and as part of their usual social whirl.

It is salacious entertaining stuff, the stuff of Hollywood. It is not so one-sided either. I do not believe that replacing the men (power brokers) with women who are the same, makes a jot of difference.

What is needed is a forensic examination of governance, what controls are in place and what causes the controls to fail.

Killarney, NO, NO, NO! In the past THEY did not KNOW what they were doing was criminally wrong, as you put it. You must understand, if it was 'criminally wrong', they would have been punished back then. It's no different than the era of slavery. It was the norm and quite acceptable back then. Please don't try to suggest the two were equal in criminality. This nonsense of groping and whatever else is going on is a distraction as you say. It has NO validity in the 'real' world. What I don't understand is why these people (the men) have 'given in' to this low level pressure. If I was being accused of such things I would respond with a laugh and suggest the accusers 'get a life'. Then I would proceed to mock and knock them to a level equal to or greater than the their implied accusation. I do believe their is another agenda at play, and I am not beyond believing the feminist involvement at some level. To repeat my previous point. Rape is bad, because people get hurt. This is not because no physical harm came to anyone. If anyone dares to respond with rubbish like, hurt feelings or pride, these things are not enough to compare to what is being unleashed on the guys. They are the real victims here, not the precious little Nancys who got 'touched up'. Big deal!

leoj

Further to your earlier comment:'That example could the sexualisation of children, especially girls, that is an unintended negative consequence of left 'Progressivism'.

The sexual revolution brought all kinds of unintended consequences, including the massive rise of pornography, commercial sexualisation of women and young girls and increased pressure on women to submit to practices like anal sex.

However, it also brought an unprecedented sexual freedom for women and girls. Prior to the sexual revolution, women were pressured to keep their virginity until marriage (while men were encouraged to sow their wild oats), to believe they were 'bad' or nuerotically unbalanced for having sex (but for men, having sex was normal and healthy), to live with laws that denied them access to contraception and abortion while the threat of an out-of-wedlock pregnancy would ruin their lives and dishonour their families.

How many women would seriously prefer to return to those times?

'What is needed is a forensic examination of governance, what controls are in place and what causes the controls to fail.'

Well, isn't that exactly what is starting to happen? Both radical (not liberal) feminist analysis and conservative women's advocacy are at the forefront of this 'forensic examination' and have been for decades. Their research and writings have been ridiculed as prudery and man-hating, not just from the progressive mainstream, but also from liberal feminism. In fact, radical feminism has been totally excluded from mainstream discourse. It's only now that I can see the progressive mainstream finally listening to them.

ALTRAVE

'[Men] are the real victims here, not the precious little Nancys who got 'touched up'.'

My heart goes out to those real victims - all those precious little Nigels. The pain of being brought to account for their unwanted groping, lewd jokes and innuendos, porn addictions and womanising, and the protection of a system that treats such predatory behaviours as typically male, must be unbearable. Is there a Precious Nigel charity I could donate to?

No Killarney, they don't need your patronising smart arse attitude or your PC soft cock money. Based on your attitude you must be at least 10 years old. Anyone, yes, anyone who was around back then and alive today, if they throw PC down the toilet where it belongs, will tell you that was the norm! Stop trying to show off. I'll say it again. If this was as big an issue as todays Nancys and their neutered followers want it to be, the matter would have been resolved in the past, where this all belongs. Emotion has NOTHING to do with these type of events. You and your unics can carry on as much as you like, you obviously lack life's experiences. When you have crushed your dependence on PC and stop thinking like a girl, you can comment. Until then we'll treat your comments as fiction.

ALTRAVE

'Anyone, yes, anyone who was around back then and alive today, if they throw PC down the toilet where it belongs, will tell you that was the norm!'

Yes, of course it was the norm back then. Therein lies the problem. Norms are flexible and also vulnerable. I'm somewhat older than 10 years, and have been around long enough to see the celebratory 'game's up for gropers' trope disappear into the patriarchal ether many times over. This latest round of media outrage is also vulnerable to patriarchal backlash.

But the outrage keeps coming. Sooner or later, the outrage sticks. Sooner or later, the gropers will run out of excuses. And so will you.

Killarnay, you may choose to back the 'cry wolf' pack. More's the pity. What outrage? All I hear is whinging and whining, from a pack of insecure little children who are still craving the attention they didn't get from years gone by. All we need now is all the maggots who got wasted with one drug or another back when and were happy to drop and spread and give their all for the cause to suddenly decide they too were taken advantage of. Pe-lease! You animals are disgusting. At least the accused were consistent and all they did was, NOTHING! The accusers are opportunists of the worst kind, using social and PC point scoring to push a fictional encounter from a forgotten past, armed with toothless and irrelevant laws, created by an emotionally retarded people.