Wolly, just reporting established facts, now part of an archived public record!

And it seems quite a few "blokes" want no bar of having their side of, the endlessly repeated, it was her fault, story. Nearly as old as time, properly tested? I wonder why!

Perhaps the Bard has some wisdom for us in the words. Methinks thou dost protest too much!
Alan B.

Alan B,

to make a comparison, when there is plane accident, no stone is left unturned to find the cause of the accident, this includes examing human behaviour.

It is a travesty of justice that people who commit crimes do get to be found innocent or have charges against them dropped because of lack of evidence.

Something like 70% of human communication is body language, with verbal, including tone making up the other 30%. yet we rely on he said, she said.

It is a no win situation for men.
Nature seems to have established the norm that the man pursues the woman.
The women give off signals that men attempt to read.
The man makes a move and may get a positive reaction to which he responds.
His move may not be quite what she had in mind, so she rejects him
and calls him a creep.
20 years later she is on TV telling the world he is a creep.

Hi Bazz,

I'm not so sure: there are ways and ways for a man to hook up with a woman, some far less intrusive than others. Clearly it requires some positive response, even initiative, from the woman: a touch on the arm, a smile, steady and positive eye contact, sharing of personal details, perhaps a mutually agreed private one-to-one dinner date or some other shared activity outside of work or organisational activity, and so on.

I'm no expert, and as a recent widower, I'm very much out of practice (and enthusiasm), but it shouldn't be that hard to read someone's language, including body language, one way or the other. Since there's no real need to rush, each party can take it one mutually-acceptable step at a time. There's certainly no need to 'grab a woman on the pussy' or touch her inappropriately anywhere.

Obviously, those types of assault may be seen as some sort of entitlement by men with power over women (and other men) in a subordinate position - that's obvious in the alleged cases of certain US politicians, Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and so on and on.

Power imbalances are also obvious in the plethora of cases of institutional abuse of children exposed by the Royal Commission here. How to avoid the misuse of that power imbalance ? What procedures should be adopted in the case of vulnerable children, or by people in the workplace ? Those seem to be the pressing issues, as well as exposing perpetrators.

Joe

Ok Jo,

You are talking about two different things, child abuse versus sexual harassment. Children have less power than adults although I suspect that it is much more complicated than that.

"If men have all the power, How come women make the rules?"
http://www.revolucionantifeminista.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/how-can-women-make-the-rules.pdf

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"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina." The book contends that young boys are encouraged to associate their masculinity with their ability to be sexually intimate with a woman, and that a woman can control a man by socially empowering herself to be the gate-keeper to his sense of masculinity. Vilar states that this has been going on for some time.
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I put it the members of this forum, that there is maybe more than one valid viewpoint.

Wolly,

You miss the vital point that such involvement has to be voluntary, consensual. I don't know how there can be 'more than one viewpoint' on that. Yes, women may be the gate-keepers of all of their body parts, but no man has any right to 'break in'.

Joe