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Israel, Jordan and PLO apprehensive about Trump peace plan : Comments

By David Singer, published 23/11/2017

Israel, Jordan and the PLO each have their own reasons to be apprehensive as to the different approach that Trump might be contemplating.

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Territories allocated by the non resident non owner have no force in law?

Nobody has the right to annex sovereign territory, in a, to the victor goes the spoils, justification! And would need a preexisting declaration that a state of war existed between Jordan and Britain? To have force of agreed international law?

And not because England and Germany fought a desert war around there!

As Germany sought to "acquire" oil supplies! And Britain attempted to prevent it! As the local population and their meagre possessions, were either collateral damage or ill informed pawns, obliged to take sides?

Moreover, there is as you say both the two state road map And a later ratified two state solution! Which you seem to want to renege on, on the filmiest of concocted confections/alleged reservations?

As it would've completely curtailed any expansion of the illegal settlements and all the egregious behaviour that went with this forced dispossession of the centuries old habitation by the former generational owners!

That you can't see a problem here, makes you, I believe, no better than a land grabbing Nazi, operating on the might is right principle!

I don't blame the Palestinians for digging their heels in! Neither do, I believe, the majority of decent Israelis/Jewry/ good international citizens!

Take what you're going to take and spill as much blood as you need to to"acquire" new territory!

Just don't try to re-word/hollow out old agreements to make it seem legal or to have the force of existing international law! And stop labelling any and all who disagree with your bombastic belligerence/BS, anti Semitic!

I will continue to say exactly what I think and truly believe, even if That upsets the resident bully! COUNT ON IT!

As for D trump he is probably even more apprehensive/twitterpated about, what might spill from his lips any hour only to say or tweet something completely different within hours?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 23 November 2017 9:51:01 AM
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" Units of 1st Panzer Army, specifically 13th Panzer Division of III Pz.K., reached the area just west of Ordzonikidzevskaja on November 5, 1942. Ordzonikidzevskaja is about 50 miles west of Grozny near Caspian Sea of Iran and Palestinian West Bank . That was the furthest into the Soviet Union that German units penetrated during the war".
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 23 November 2017 11:23:43 AM
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Hi Alan,

"Nobody has the right to annex sovereign territory .... "

There were/are probably a few caliphs , sheikhs, khans, emirs and sultans across the various Muslim Empires over the past 1400 years who would disagree with you, not to mention the 500-year rule of the Ottomans. But let's instead curse the French for 'annexing' territory in the Levant for twenty or thirty years, and the ever-evil British for annexing bits of the Ottoman Empire for all of forty years. That was then, this is now.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 23 November 2017 12:13:52 PM
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Yes but ..
the Jewish Agency used explosive arguments to repel the poms. Putin marched in with tanks for freedom in Crimea . The elderly Mr Singer claims moral rights to bulldoze Palestinians. It's bullets not Law that he is banging away at.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 23 November 2017 2:51:36 PM
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Alan B.,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Trolls.jpg

Dave is becoming an objectionable nuisance on this forum, and he's not going to go away unless we stop playing his silly little game. If you really feel the need to comment, just call him a daft old fool and move on. He's basically the Jewish version of runner, and should be treated accordingly.

Now wait... he'll be along to accuse me of bigotry against an entire race for calling him a nuisance any second now.

See what I mean?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 23 November 2017 3:28:19 PM
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Hi Toni.

Well. yeah ..... what's your defence ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 23 November 2017 10:51:01 PM
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//Well. yeah ..... what's your defence ?//

Truth. David is a daft old fool, and a nuisance.

White-knighting again, I see. Are you gay for Dave or something, Joe?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 24 November 2017 5:27:14 AM
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nah , it's the loudmouth thing innit.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 24 November 2017 6:17:15 AM
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'Israel, Jordan and PLO apprehensive about Trump peace plan'

'apprehensive' could be be viewed as being extremely optimistic in itself.
Trump will never be seen as a peace maker....a troublemaker yes!....a peacemaker?, nevva gunna happ'n
Posted by ilmessaggio, Friday, 24 November 2017 1:11:44 PM
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.45 Colt caliber SAA, Peacemaker is associated with the American West , including Gen. George S. Patton, who carried a custom-made SAA with his initials on it and president Theodore Roosevelt.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 24 November 2017 1:35:12 PM
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ilmessaggio,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Trolls.jpg
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 24 November 2017 2:17:54 PM
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