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Discovering the real history of our peoples : Comments
By Graham Young, published 1/9/2017The uproar over the use of the word 'discover' is the latest skirmish in a war over two equally mythical views of Australian history.
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Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 9 September 2017 12:11:20 PM
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Bullhead says:” Last year a researcher finally decided to find out more about White...”
Even a minimally educated contributor would identify the researcher and link to his report. But not an ignoramus. Bullhead’s lack of education also shows in his poor comprehension. When Joe said he would enjoy lunch with Keith Windschuttle, bullhead inexplicably thought Joe would have lunch with him.He made the laughable comment that Joe seemed confused. His lack of comprehension ensures that his comments are always mistaken and ineffective, and generally inaccurate. Joe, I think your comments on Thorne’s position, are about right. I think he had a theory that the aborigines were a merger of the chinese and a later arriving race. I will try to find his book, as I cannot find anything on it on the net. Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 9 September 2017 1:29:48 PM
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A China-region people may have moved into the islands.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../The-great-seafarers-DNA-ancient-skeletons-reveals-Polynesians... Oct 3, 2016 - The first great seafarers: DNA from ancient skeletons reveals the Polynesians may have come from Taiwan 5,000 years ago. .. - According to Sima Qian 145-86 BCE, Huang-ti emerged from the tribal system of pre-historic China to rule Shandong between 2697-2597 BCE. Many scholars maintain that the Xia Dynasty 2070 BCE is a myth. Those who believe the Xia Dynasty was a reality are at an equal disadvantage as the sites uncovered could as easily be interpreted as early Shang Dynasty buildings. They may have discovered China or been the first Chinese or had early writing or contaminated DNA or black arm-band history. Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 9 September 2017 9:14:11 PM
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Great to see Leo Lane providing such great self description: His lack of comprehension ensures that his comments are always mistaken and ineffective, and generally inaccurate. Bravo! Paul Hogan would be proud of LL!
Posted by minotaur, Saturday, 9 September 2017 11:12:15 PM
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minotaur,
You said you were a skeptic, so I put to you and ors this post to establish the common ground, "Skepticism, some common ground, Dr Michael Shermer, Baloney detection Kit, 15minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJmRbSX8Rqo&feature=youtu.be Gilovich http://psy.haifa.ac.il/~ep/Lecture%20Files/Gilovich%20-%20Systematic%20Biases.pdf Still at foot, Elizabeth Loftus, http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_loftus_the_fiction_of_memory" Posted by leoj, Friday, 8 September 2017 9:17:58 AM [thread page18] Where is the problem with stating a standard and seeking agreement on it? Next, since you (Foxy too) want others to accept indigenous narrative, oral history (his story) as proof, I put this to you, "However, lets not lose the science that distinguishes the skeptic you say you are from the sloppy 'research' that always seems to find a place in the media and in government policy to placate noisy minorities. Memories are being planted, wholesale, some might say. What about the 'Stolen Generation'? And 'that' long walk by girls that seems to be sold as fact in schools? Of course it had to be girls, a much more powerful image.(sic) ... Since you find most aboriginal narrative (all sources are OK so long as indigenous?) is believable and you imply that academics are with you on that, you are going to have to confront the findings of psychologists on memory, just for starters, Elizabeth Loftus, http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_loftus_the_fiction_of_memory " [thread page 19] Why about a reply? Posted by leoj, Sunday, 10 September 2017 12:28:52 AM
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Gold prospecting may have drawn foreign adventurers.
The Gympie Pyramid Story http://www.warriors.egympie.com.au/pyramid.html Several unusual objects have been found in and around the Gympie area. These include among other things : a carved, yellow stone head suggesting South American influence; an ancient statuette of the Indian goddess Lakshmi; a Grecian urn; an ancient Chinese bronze teapot, and an apparent stone statue of an ape-like figure, known as ‘The Gympie Ape’. Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 10 September 2017 1:52:31 AM
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There are multiple sources which confirm Cook and Banks did what the records claim and also there are multiple sources for some claims in Aboriginal matters which then may be accepted . Some claims have little back-up . And then the implications can be various, again either with some support or none. Sometimes the logic is faulty such as absolute as against limited statements . Certainly old mate Banksy liked his plants ( fairly certain about that).