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No massacres since 1996? : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 11/7/2017

In the 20 years following 1996 there were 14 shootings in Australia involving multiple victims.

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To David Leyonhjelm, if you are watching this topic, here are some facts which should help you.

The causal link between easy firearm availability and a high rate of firearm homicide is considered by the majority of the public to be a common sense concept. But this is not necessarily correct. It all depends upon the degree of public acceptance of extreme violence to solve one's personnel problems. In those countries where the public accepts the idea that extreme violence is wrong, such societies can have very easy availability of fireams and still have a very low homicide rate. (e.g. Switzerland today and England 1900-1960)

Firearm laws are a litmus paper test of the acceptance of violence in society. Those societies with very strict firearm laws are generally the most violent societies there are. The lax firearm laws of the USA is considered by the public as an example of the stupidity of such firearm laws. The USA has five times the homicide rate of Australia. But if all the firearm homicides in the USA were removed from the statistics entirely, the US's homicide rate would still be double that of Australia.

Any intelligent person would therefore conclude that there must be other factors responsible for this phenomenon.

These are.

The entertainment industry has since the sixties glorified extreme personnel violence. If your culture keeps telling young people that extremely violent behaviour is admirable, sooner or later your youth will believe it.

This is especially true in western societies today where one third of children belong to single parent families where their primary role models are displayed on TV sets and movies.

The cultural link to extreme violence is best exemplified in the fact that some cultures and ethnicities are renowned for extreme violence and serious criminal activity. These self same cultures and ethnicities without exception already possess extremely violent cultural values. The homicide rate among US blacks is (from memory) ten times the white homicide rate. Not surprising when so many "rap gangsta" "music" extols drug abuse, misogyny, gang activity, and the joys of killing people
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 13 July 2017 8:16:14 AM
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"No massacres since 1996?"

The last massacre in Australia occurred on 20th of January of this year in the Bourke St, Melbourne when six people were killed and twenty-nine were injured.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 13 July 2017 3:41:28 PM
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"As we have witnessed in the recent years, outlawing guns has effectively meant, only outlaws have guns"

Rubbish, it means that only the state will have guns.

The anti gun debate in the US is actually about transferring guns from the populace to the state.

Gun control was effectively achieved, nationally in Australia within weeks of the Port Athur massacre in 1996. As the push for citizen-disarmament is rather uniform, worldwide, it must be that the Australian goverment is doing the bidding of outsiders.

Should a government that wont let you have a gun be trusted?

Let those who are anti gun demonstrate leadership by being the first to destroy their gun or hand it in so it can be destroyed.

“The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.” Steve Biko.

Those are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood let alone be believed by the masses – Plato.
Posted by Referundemdrivensocienty, Thursday, 13 July 2017 7:18:29 PM
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David, http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/bryants_mum_speaks.html

As a 2nd year LLB student I attempted to gain the forensic evidence files from the Tasmanian DPP and court documents (other than what is in the 'public domain')

It was a very curt letter from them advising me that " Mr Manton, the documents you request are not available..." Similarly the table of exhibits listing the weapons/firearms allegedly used. The M16 sold to MB had a faulty firing pin unable to strike the primer of the cartridges. This weapon later disappeared along with ballistic evidence in the form of recovered projectiles, some last seen on the desk of a detective in Hobart around 2001. In the course of events His Honour states that M Bryant "lacked the motor skills" - (required to exercise the degree of competency to accurately aim an air rifle), let alone carry out a massacre with a shot to kill ratio exceeding that of special forces soldiers. Prior to M Bryant's diversion to Seascape, the SOG - as you read in Heath O'Loughlin's "Sons of God" were positioned. Dr Peters needed an object at which the public ( the gun hating public more precisely) could vent their anger and use as a patsy...that and that alone is the only reason Martin Bryant is still alive today.

Why then a few months later, did the 2 SASR shooters (seen leaving via boat from the wharf nearby to the Broad Arrow Cafe) have to die in the Blackhawk Disaster at Townsville? Yes I have paid my respects to my fellow course mates at the Gratwick Club. Was the pilot shot, causing the mid air collision & not as the inquiry found it to be, an error of judgement (read: 'calibration') in the night vision flying equipment ? Very easy to substitute an 'FF' item for a 'UR' item in the Q Store before issuing it to the investigating officer, if the serial numbers are not recorded accurately.

Dr Rebecca Peters had carried out her craft so very well in the lead up to Port Arthur, a 'psyop' of epic proportions...her magnum opus if you like.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 14 July 2017 1:40:28 PM
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What continuing gun deaths show is that even after the Howard reforms the laws relating to gun freaks are still way too lax.

To see how to end the menace of gun killings we can compare two countries:

1. America where more than 33 thousand people are shot dead every year. This is the pre-Howard open slather with which Australia's gun freaks seek to menace our own citizens.
2. Japan in which guns are strictly forbidden, no loopholes, and gun deaths are a rarity.

Since plebiscites like the one designed to promote a pre-poll witch hunt against homosexuals are the flavour of the month, how about a plebiscite for laws to stamp out gun possession as rigorously as Japan's?

Meanwhile all that people who don't want to risk being shot can do is to identify political candidates soft on gun possession and place them last in elections.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 2:40:47 PM
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HHey, Julian, you're still at it, peddling misinformation; you're not a Green by any chance are you?
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:33:03 AM
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