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The 2016 census: whence the church? : Comments
By Peter Sellick, published 4/7/2017It is about time that the Church realises that the end of the Church as we knew it has arrived and that we cannot go on as before.
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Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 8:50:33 AM
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Diver, given your comments, one concludes you believe in the unprovable scratchings in an ancient book?
None more ancient than the old testament,(Torah) handed to us by a stone age and almost entirely illiterate culture, given to embellishing the truth with flat earth superstition/myth? Take Exodus and all that flows from it, including a list of thou shall nots allegedly carved in stone for a culture, almost to a man that could neither read or write, during the almost impossible march from Egypt to Israel! With emerging archaeological evidence that paints a very different story, and by implication, everything that relies on/flows from it? A Devil's role would surely be, to fill the ignorant head with voluminous nonsense that sets Cain against Able, and for the "crime" of daring to be BORN DIFFERENT! Believe how you want, even if that belief includes a flat earth! But know this, if you are wrong and then act out on your inculcated, brainwashed from birth belief? You still remain answerable for all the harm you do and the crimes you commit in His name! At the end of the day, the man in the mirror, will know the exact, whole truth and every thing you did or said, and judge you according to what was or is truly in your heart! The fact you implacably refuse to look or accept emerging genetic or DNA evidence! Will be no excuse for the irreversible harm you and your ignorant ilk continually do! I have opened death's door and seen( your worst nightmare, then some) hell and the intensely evil, terror engendering monster that controls it. And say to you, it's not too late to set aside this master, with his litany of false and harmful belief and the continuous harm it and you do! If one must believe in something, then that has to be, the mighty irrefutable truth! LOOK! Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:47:53 AM
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Meanwhile bible believing churches go from strength to strength seeing how irrational and nonsensical secularism is. A total lack of reason, morals and true science accompanies such a perverse ideology as secular humanism. Unbelieving, compromising churches may as well not exist. No wonder they embrace earth worshipping and such fantasies as evolution and global warming. Still looking for that one fossil. What a joke.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 11:38:11 AM
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You need some new schtick Runner.
Posted by JBSH, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 12:33:15 PM
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Sells writes: “Simply put, the god that the atheists do not believe in, the supernatural unitary being, is completely unlike the God worshipped by Christians who is no being at all as we think of being but is rather Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the truth we see in Christ projected into the future.”
Ignoring for the moment just how uselessly vague Sell’s take on what the Christian god is aside, no, a supernatural being is exactly what the majority of Christians believe in. So-called ‘sophisticated’ theists try this one on all the time to make it appear as though vocal atheists (though they usually only focus on Dawkins) are attacking a straw man when they’re not. Vocal atheists are talking about the “people in the pews” that sophisticated theists like Sells (and one other on OLO who I can think of) look down upon. However, these “people in the pews” are the people I was surrounded by when I was a Christian, and these are the people who numerous polls in the US suggest make up the vast majority of Christians. Vocal atheists do devote some of their energies to sophisticated theology (yes, even Dawkins), but they do so in proportion to the tiny percentage of Christians that these sophisticated theists represent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnBNL7JELI A brilliant, yet blunt, takedown of the sophisticated theist’s condescending position by Matt Dillahunty, which aired on the Non Prophets podcast a few years back, can be found at: http://youtu.be/-ACfNm5iHFE?t=85 (Slight language warning) -- Oh dear, runner. Sometimes your posts read like a parody. Then again, they always do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law <<Still looking for that one fossil.>> Which fossil is that? Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 12:34:56 PM
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AJP
Christianity is a complicated animal, but it keeps on keeping on, in spite of its surroundings. Christ made the observation plain, if belief in him and his teachings is not grasped as would a child grasp a simple concept, then the believer fails the test! This demand lies at the heart of Christianity. Reformation starts from a radical and powerful base of simple (evangelical) belief. Alan B. There is a vast chasm between compassion for the sinner, and the acceptance of his sin. If the sinner, in this case the homosexual, refuses to repent of that sin, there is no forgiveness. He simple remains cannon fodder in the great battle raging between good and evil! Think about it! Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 9:58:00 PM
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His concern for acceptance of the church in their opinion is silly.
He ignores the election of Donald Trump which was ably assisted by the rising tide of American evangelicals, and their uncomfortable but strong association with the GOP.
God has actually abandoned established religion for good reason. The good reason is, in its attempts to appeal to secularism and its support of homosexuals as normal.
He forgets the world was long ago handed over to the devil. My suggestion to him would be to stop making friends with it, and begin waging war against evil. This is what his Bible demands!