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Thousands died for the Irish state - Europe just erased their sacrifice : Comments

By Gary Johns, published 19/6/2017

Right on time, the Supreme Court of Ireland has provided the perfect case study of overweening courts and human rights in the ­European pond.

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I don't know where you get your par for the course rubbery figures from Gary? But not from a reality check, nor fact checking?

You say you are going from Ireland to Scotland, as if your mere presence would somehow lend credibility to your dubious, patently politicized claims?

Yes the Irish made plenty of sacrifices for the Celtic economic miracle, only made possible by entry into the EU!

Then made into an allegorical ruin with a roof, by the involvement of foreign debt laden speculation in their real estate market!

And then only because perverse, self serving politicians, with it would seem, your moribund mindset, tried to rescue them using the people's money, when they should have been allowed to fall!

Yes, a seemingly progressive Theresa May allowed herself to be manipulated by the waiting in the wings new leader, Boris Johnson, to back brexit, and without a clue to its full yet to be felt ramifications! And just to regain absolute sovereign control of sovereign borders!

Europe not responsible for the debacle, just demonstrable dementia and those, who through their implacable iron-willed resolve, manifest its earliest stages, handed absolute control of outcomes, created an absolute dog's breakfast, out of brexit and the british economy!

Starting way back, with Arthur Scargill and nemesis Maggie Thatcher, who between them, more than anybody, created the british disease and its economic aftermath, which saw Britain enter the GFC as a mostly service industry economy and therefore, among the first to fail and fall the furthest!

There's a way back, just not with the B.J., M.T., A.S. initiated economic shrink-wrap, inmates in charge of the asylum, recipe!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 19 June 2017 11:25:16 AM
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Am I missing something here? You regard an IRISH court's interpretation of the IRISH constitution as Europe erasing the sacrifice of the thousands who died for the Irish state? ? ?

(And is the number of people who died for the Irish state really in the thousands?)
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:27:06 PM
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,**a seemingly progressive Theresa May allowed herself to be manipulated by the waiting in the wings new leader, Boris Johnson, to back brexit, and without a clue to its full yet to be felt ramifications! And just to regain absolute sovereign control of sovereign borders!**

Is that right Al.
And it had nothing to do with rising anti Chinese sentiment in Europe and Britain ...
Guess what the Brits complain of...you guessed it, Job losses to Chinese, damage from their dumping practices in Britain and the EU and take overs of European industries....
A complaint never entertained here by our political class, who can't throw our Country to the Chinese dragon quick enough!
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 19 June 2017 2:47:24 PM
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Anti chinese sentiment not new Diver! nor is anti paki, anti west indian blacks etc/etc.

Why do you think Brits want sovereign control of sovereign borders returned, along with controlled migrant numbers!?

Which would be far fewer if we in the wealthier west used the billions in foreign aid to address some of the issues forcing drought affected nomadic populations to wander too far from home country, creating tension and conflict, across sovereign borders!

And as simple as rolling out several mass produced, factory built, molten salt, thorium reactors and then connecting them to new deionization dialysis desalination that puts affordable potable water where it is needed.

And doable as an alternative of being overrun by folks who can't feed their livestock let alone raise crops! These two new and old technologies change everything!

And mitigate against poverty, want and war, given all the real costs are up front!

Why they could even try them down there if the, I'm alright Jack, class would just allow it or get out of the way!

My Chinese ex just raises her eyebrows when this familiar white supremacism raises it's ugly head! As do my kids!

These folks bleed the same blood types, and piss urine with the same chemical analysis.

Moreover, they may be brighter and more intelligently led than us!?

And how many old folks homes are there over there, with millionaire parasites raking it in, as abandoned old folk slowly wither away?

Even though larger in every sense of the word! Far fewer than we have here! Yet we somehow see ourselves as somehow superior, as empathetic humanistic moralistic human beings?

Sometimes it's difficult to separate the, all tarred with the same brush, populace from the leadership?

I mean, how would we look to them if seen through the prism of self serving, corruptible or easily bought pollies?

Little wonder Menzies cried when his old sparring partner/mate, Ben Chifley carked it! As one of the old warriors, who seemed able to put his country men and their prospects first died; so did patent pragmatic bipartisan political patriotism?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 19 June 2017 6:33:06 PM
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So that's it Al ....you are married to a Chinese, therefore no complaints about serious issues of Chinese anything in your world. Then to waffle on with the same mantra to decoy the conversation, down the pot-hole littered, ungraded thorium track, to the empty paddock at its end.

Moreover, they may be brighter and more intelligently led than us!? *

Agree on that point...formidable is a closer description!
Have you ever hypnotised a chook Al? Australia is seen by the Chinese as a hypnotised chook; locals would call it a "pushover".

Menzies and Chifley? Back in the days of the White Australia policy! They sure were smarter and more forward thinking than yourself, (cruising around in your hypnotised state), and their modern day counterpart politician.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 9:11:51 AM
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The Irish Supreme Court ruled that the asylum seeker was entitled to seek work before his status was decided.

This was an IRISH court ruling on behalf of a person seeking asylum in Ireland. Yes, thousands, indeed millions (depending how far back you go) died so that Ireland could control its own country and its own affairs, not the British occupying power. That's exactly what the Irish Supreme Court is doing.

Instead of writing this weird article about supposed EU domination of Irish affairs and what it supposedly has to say about the need for a hard/soft Brexit, the author should have packed his laptop away and gone up on deck to look around him and soak in the view. The crossing from Belfast to Cairnryan is a beautiful part of the world.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 3:49:36 AM
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