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Teasing Theresa: the EU, Brexit and the British Elections : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 16/6/2017

It took little time for political leaders in the European Union to start dangling the carrot in front of a wounded British Prime Minister.

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Britain will probably never leave the EU. After all the noise and posturing is over reality will prevail and a compromise will be reached,
Posted by mac, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:33:34 AM
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This is exactly what you'd expect, when dogma and ideology replace reason and logic!

Theresa should be grateful for the chance to review this diabolically dumb decision, and founded on the worst possible anti migrant grounds!

And demonstrable disaster going somewhere to happen, when first proposed by, the son of a migrant turk, Boris Johnson, now waiting in the wings as potentially the next conservative leader?

And a very clever if divisive (Boris Johnson) plan coming to full fruition?

If the last election told Theresa anything, it told her that the people were maybe having some serious second thoughts about the divorce, and she should grab the extended lifeline and allow a second referendum, as proposed by the Scots, while she still has time and some remaining, European goodwill!!

Rather than sacrificing her leadership and political career, trying to play the role of a latter day recalcitrant (the lady is not for turning) Maggie Thatcher?

And given a reversal, use that as leverage to regain total border control, all that the brits really really want, which no doubt would find agreement and ultimate support throughout most of Europe!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 16 June 2017 11:32:26 AM
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Alan B

The Brexit vote wasn't a referendum but a plebiscite since it wasn't legally binding on the UK government. So there's plenty of scope for procrastination and any later government could simply ignore the Brexit vote. It doesn't seem plausible that the country's political and economic elites will ever accept Brexit. It will probably be at least 5 years before it's certain whether or not the UK has left the EU.
Posted by mac, Friday, 16 June 2017 12:23:36 PM
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Of course the EU leaders want the UK to stay, they have been ripping offthe poor silly UK tax payers unmercifully for decades. It is the UK tax payers who pay for all the idiot subsidies that keep French farmers in comfort.

Hopefully Boris will now see it is important to take over the leadership & kick the disgusting EU, the trial run for world government, the hell back to wherever their rotten bureaucrats came from. The silly girl in the job is no iron lady.

Rule by bureaucrat is about the worst form of government possible, & the EU reflects that in spades.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 16 June 2017 12:41:35 PM
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Napoleon , Adolf and Mussolini lost . Scotland seems to want Europe and may be the new entry for illegals . So Hadrian's wall may get a coat of paint and new machine guns. Charles looked silly in a kilt anyway.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:47:23 PM
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I think if you subtracted all the Muslim votes from the British election
Teresa May would have won by a mile.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 17 June 2017 11:54:49 PM
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I think, if you extracted either the scottish or irish catholic vote from the election, Theresa May, may have won by a nautical mile.

I think if you extracted the Turk (turkish Muslim) from the british Parliament, and his leadership and involvement (loading the gun for others to fire) as an instigator?

Britain may have engaged in far more sensible economic policy, than simply shooting itself in its own economic foot just to regain control of migrant flow. And what most of Europe also want as a first order priority issue!?

As others have noted over the years, you have more proactive influence inside the tent, than as a reactionary outside it, railing against other folks religious beliefs! For just downright dumb reasons, such as on display in technically bankrupt prewar germany, when Jews (religious minority) became the most convenient scapegoat for an entirely incompetent administration!

Who had as have many other before or since allowed ideology, dogma and populism to replace reason, rational argument and logic! Hence a fractured and divided community! Where the inmates have gained/usurped control of and are attempting to run the asylum!

The adults in the room need to reassert control, and start to exert some sort of leadership!

No not with the use of force, but, with persuasive reason, judgement and arguing a pragmatic case on its merits!

Do that and stay true to your own personal convictions until you carry the people with you!

Anything else is lose lose in every sense of the word, and in every truly important perspective! Be it truly progressive social justice, climate change energy policy, or affordable energy, or energy dependant and totally unfettered economic growth, where nothing is ruled out or in!

Well past time for sanity to reassert itself and prevail!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 18 June 2017 10:49:15 AM
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When Theresa May rose to prominence she did so as progressive conservative, with a social conscience. Now she seems either conflicted or the manikin of a string pulling puppet master?

And seems to have no plan than to say no to a timely review/revisit of the Brexit plan? Even though the real goal for britain is to reassert sovereign control of her borders, and a doable plan to reemploy British workers and mothballed industry?

How could that be done or sold? Not too difficult to employ workers who along with families still need to be housed, clothed and fed, etc. whether gainfully occupied or not!

And they could do worse than reopen some steelworks as government sanctioned, facilitated and funded employee co-ops.

This would prevent Arthur Scargill and co, from doing what they managed last time, bringing British mining and manufacturing to its knees!

Most of the steel would come out as recycled steel initially? And rolled out as digestors able to be retrofitted in all manner of domestic domiciles, and turn millions of annual tons of putrefying waste into millions of tons of usable biogas, that can be used to heat and power homes hospitals schools etc. Rather than as present allowing this material to further pollute the natural environment.

The two tank smell free system we invented right here, would be where I'd start! And progressively rolled out for folks who can no longer afford either! And sanely coupled to mass produced ceramic fuel cells! Given all the costs are up front, with something they can heat power their homes with, with an affordable repayment plan?

And as it rolled out diminish/eliminate forever, reliance on imported foreign fuel!

A number of byproducts would be generated. Endless free hot water, sanitised nutrient loaded reusable water, as would endlessly support undercover intense agriculture; and sanitised high carbon soil improver that would permanently sequester millions of tons of carbon annually!

And underpin several other important agro industries! Timber, fibre (flax hemp) and fruit? And bring a nation back onside, given they see several important socio economic reversals!
TBC, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 18 June 2017 5:11:04 PM
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Part two has to be affordable industrial power, and there is no other choice than the nuclear option as walk away safe, molten salt LFTR reactors? Coupled to an electrified economy. More information pertaining to that to be found on U tube, and google tech talks; and under Super Fuel, subtitled green energy.

And an essential if disaffected young folk are to be brought back onside?

A very wise man once said, People need dreams and hope, and if you can't give them that, give them something to do! And that goes for young folk in spades!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 18 June 2017 5:22:22 PM
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A majority of well over a million voted to leave EU, and opinion polls indicate that the majority is now a lot greater. All the negotiation and to-ing and fro-ing are attempts to look after the City of London spivs who have never personally created any wealth (goods and services) but merely acquired the wealth created by others. Leaners kept afloat by lifters using Joe Hockley's terms adjusted to describe actual facts.

All that is needed to leave EU is to turn off the tap that drains British pounds into the Brussels racket and set about reinstating the sovereignty that was ceded without any consultation of the people of Britain when Britain's politicians betrayed the country by joining EEC and ultimately EU.

Reading the readers' comments in the Tory Daily Telegraph gives a picture of the howls of anguish from the spivs over the lower orders being asked at a referendum to make a decision for and of their country, and Prime Minister May pretending to put it into effect.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 2:37:51 PM
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I notice the nuke lobby is in full voice again. The nuke-heads are always very coy about the question of public risk insurance. The Japanese taxpayers could tell them something about who foots the bill after the uninsured nuke plant goes ape.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 2:48:35 PM
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Emperor Julian,

I agree with your comments in regard to the 'referendum', it's obvious that some of the UK's plutocrats are angry with the plebs for not voting correctly. The British are confused by direct democracy. I can remember a comment from a city banker type who thought that EU membership was too important to be left to a popular vote. Eh?

I don't have any opinion on Britain's EU membership, however Brexit is a very entertaining circus.
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 3:45:31 PM
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