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Reviving Israeli-Palestinian talks now will go nowhere : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 19/5/2017

Trump's over-simplification of the conflict suggests he has no clue about what it would take to make peace and why the mere resumption of peace talks is dead on arrival.

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Dearest Foxy,

I'm not sure how you leap from what I wrote to your claim. Of course, where and if and when Israel mistreats Palestinians, then it should be condemned - just as you might condemn all those other cases of mistreatment that I listed. Well, I'm presuming you would - am I wrong :)

Probably as a last resort, I expect that, if Hamas ever started bombarding Israel with thousands of random rockets again, that Israel might be tempted to go back on its commitment to give over the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. No, maybe not, it would then become their headache again, not the PA's.

Still, it's all a minor issue compared to those I listed, and one which won't ever be resolved until almost all of the other, more important, issues in the Middle East are.

Love,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 21 May 2017 7:53:51 PM
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Dear Foxy, sorry to take issue with your summation of Joe's analysis. But any FAIR reading of his comments, wouldn't be able to draw your emotive (guilty M'Lord) conclusions.

In any event, most of what he was identifying has its foundation in just a few individuals and pernicious problematic mindsets?

Be it a Kurd killing Turkish tyrant, the assassinating Ayatollah, Nut-job Nethanyahu, the executing Egyptian President, the autocratic shoot first Filipino President, the risible rocket launching Russian President, the, short of a few baskets for the picnic, slithering slimy Syrian dictator, the Korean kamikaze criminal?

Or even Mr twittering tragic (never in the course of human history has a madman been so maligned by a mischief making muckraking media) Trump?

And given you impugned Joe, I believe, with quite deliberate, out of character, misrepresentation, shame on you.
Without bias, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 21 May 2017 8:06:39 PM
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Hi Alan,

Go easy on Foxy, she's a good person at heart :)

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 21 May 2017 10:48:01 PM
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Dear Alan,

My response was to Joe's post and the way he
brushed aside the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
which is the topic of this discussion.
Joe has a history of diversion if
he does not agree with what is being said.
I stand by what I wrote.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 May 2017 9:05:17 AM
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Dearest Foxy,

No, I didn't brush aside the Israeli-Palestine dilemma, I merely tried to put it into some more realistic context. I hope that it can be resolved in my lifetime, but it will have to get to the back of a very long queue. Even so, I don't think Israel will be pushed into the sea just yet, so that's probably not going to be part of any 'solution'.

If I were Israel, I would be slightly worried about Trump slipping hundreds of billions dollars' worth of the latest weaponry to the Saudis. How much will end up in the hands of a re-formed ISIS ? How much will contribute to a much bigger war between the Sunnis, led by a re-armed Saudi Arabia, and Shi'ite Iran, or even a possibility of war between the Saudis and Turkey, for imperial dominance, i.e. an extension of the Syrian War across all of the West Asian Middle East ? And how long do you think that might go on for ?

And in that one, the Israel-Palestine dilemma will shrink in comparative significance for another few decades. I don't like that idea any more than you do, but that's seems to be how events might pan out.

Love always,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 22 May 2017 10:13:15 AM
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Dear Joe,

I am glad to hear that you also want to see justice
done for both the Palestinians as well as Israel.
The anti-Muslim stances that you've displayed in
some of your posts I got the impression that you simply
did not like Muslims. As far as the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict is concerned as Palestinian politician Hanan
Ashrawi has explained - that current Israeli thinking is
inevitably leading to disaster.

"Now is the time for the US, for the international community,
the Quartet, to stand up and say, this is not finished.
Israel does not have the right to act unilaterally, it
does not have the right to wreak havoc and destroy
prospects for a peaceful solution."

Israel has been calling
the shots since 1967, always without Palestinian consultation,
and clearly believes that the USA will support its attempts
to establish 'final borders' Sadly, once again, the
international community places a higher value on Israel's
vision of its historic destiny than on the humanity of the
Palestinians.

See you on another discussion.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 May 2017 11:40:56 AM
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