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Ahok's conviction a ridiculous travesty : Comments

By Richard Laidlaw, published 11/5/2017

Ahok was foolish to disturb the mediaeval shadows that still inform much Indonesian discourse and significant elements of its culture.

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Ahok blasphemed the Koran the infidel dog. But Jesus Christ didn't die at Anzac Cove. So in that way the 2 offenders aren't equal - Ahok was sinning and goes to hell the deepest 7th fire.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 13 May 2017 8:42:05 AM
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Nick,

I've written a few times on OLO that that silly girl shouldn't be sacked or even disciplined, that she should be put on more government-funded committees, so that we can know in more detail what Hizb-ut-Tahrir is up to.

No, I don't think she should be jailed for two years, and have her career destroyed, for making a comment.

And no, Ahok did not make any blasphemous remarks (even the prosecutor admitted that), which, in any case, would have been legal in Australia. But he got two years. Yassmin got no penalty and fair enough: that's Australian values for you.

As some wise person noted on another thread, Nick: "Freedom of expression is one of our treasured Australian values: any idiot can say what they like." So go for it: keep digging your hole. Keep making dumb-arse comments, usually utterly irrelevant. That's your right in Australia. But it might get you in trouble in 'secular' Indonesia.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 13 May 2017 11:29:29 AM
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You wrote " Or do you mean the continued employment of Islamist apologists on government-funded bodies " which indicates you question her employment.
She listed countries on facebook and she gets into trouble with you.
The Indonesian view of Koran and local views of Anzac seem similar with Anzac parallel with gods .
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 13 May 2017 11:59:36 AM
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Nick,

No, I don't have any special powers to get that silly girl 'into trouble', or to 'question her employment' :) She can say what she likes. So can I. And so, irritatingly, so can you.

No, I'll say it again (and again and again, if you like):let her keep her various paid jobs, encourage her to talk her silly head off about every topic, let us gradually find out more and more about Hizb-u-Tahrir and its aims.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 13 May 2017 12:35:16 PM
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Then why raise the topic of her employment ? Or suggest matters that police ought to know about? If I support her Anzac-given right to speech you would also mention my employment and police inquiry . Do you have Russian relatives Joe.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 13 May 2017 1:11:48 PM
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Halfwitnick,

You compared, somehow, the fortunes of Ahok, now in jail, with those of Yassmin, as if they were somehow comparable. Their respective statuses were relevant: one is in jail for making what most Australians would think was a perfectly reasonable observation, the other is flying around scot-free: one is, in a sense, unemployed for making remarks, the other isn't.

I don't know what the police might know about Yassmin's associations and activities. That she associates with a terrorist group, the Hizb-ut-Tahrir, is probably relevant, you could look into that. So let her speak as their mouth-piece as much as she likes. That will let us know what they're up to.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 13 May 2017 2:34:04 PM
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