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Free speech confusions: Australia's Q&A program : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 17/3/2017

What Monday's conversation tended to ignore were other concerns that have tended to hollow out, if not entirely sabotage, the notion of free speech in the Australian context.

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Mem Fox's biggest gripe was that they were discussing her "Finances" at the airport desk lol.
What a joke, typical left winger it is all about the money with them!
I turned off the all woman panel ywo weeks ago and this one lasted less than five minutes. Sort it out, proper guests, no green laughter squad and go back to the earlier version. Not the all left bunch of needy, greedy whiners and Mr Smug in charge.
Posted by JBowyer, Friday, 17 March 2017 7:15:05 PM
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All of these programs these days are politically motivated.
They decide the questions and then they tell us how we should think about those issues.

Hegelian dialectic. Problem, Reaction, Solution.
Reinforced by a live audience.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 18 March 2017 5:16:15 AM
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Binoy’s article states -- Politically appropriate thinking requires certain ideas that exclude others:
I am indigenous, and therefore, untouchable in debate.

I think that one sentence, sums up the problem inherent in 18c

The government has held investigations into the reason there are so many
Aboriginal children involved in crime. Their findings included the observation,
that these children come from disfunctional aboriginal communities where
the parents don't work and drink to excess.

So Bill Leaks observation in cartoon form exposed this, in the way good artistic
work, should encourage debate.

It begs the question, when something is the truth in a situation,in this case Aboriginal
crime rates. Even documented as the truth by government reports,can the truth
be labelled racism.

Is the truth racist?
If the left wing fools stopped using 18C to shut down truths they don't want to hear
then I would have no problem with 18C.
An appropriate case for 18C, would be one I heard of recently, where a happy little
9year old Chinese girl, an adopted granddaughter of one of my friends. Became withdrawn and when her grandma, told her she was beautiful, said, very upset,
Don’t say that! Her grandma got it out of her with gentle questioning, that she was being ridiculed because of the shape of her eyes at school.

This could be well handled by a word to the school to stop the bullying.
But if you want to use 18C use it in the appropriate circumstance.
The Bill Leaks cartoon wasn't appropriate, because it was an observation
on a public problem that needs discussion.

The tuanting of the little Chinese girl was just straight out targeting with harassment
And hurt intended. The Left wing needs to understand the difference.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 19 March 2017 1:09:11 PM
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Cherful, I think there is a problem with using 18c in the little girls case.
To win the case would mean that offence was based on fact and that she
is not beautiful and was offended by being called not beautiful.

How much better to reply that she is a beautiful Chinese girl and
the other girls are not beautiful Chinese girls !
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 19 March 2017 1:41:25 PM
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Bazz

This little girl actually is a very, very pretty girl. With a happy spirit.
Until saddened by these taunts, possibly by others jealous that she is so pretty

It is straight out harassment of someone for a. Facial feature. Her eyes.
There is nothing she can do to change her eyes and so it is a useless ridiculous
form of bullying. It serves no purpose but for the perpertrator to wound and hurt.
A dam good case to use 18C.

Bill Leaks cartoon however was pointing out, something the Aboriginals seem tog
not want to deal with, that the large number of indigenous children in prisons
for continuos criminal,offences, starts in the large number of layabout drunken
Dysfunctional families. You can't make someone stop drinking enough to get a job
Unless they want to. Therefore it is the Aboriginals who are responsible for the problems not the whites. Until they become good role models to these criminals the crime won't stop, no matter how much money the whites throw at the problem.

The Aboriginals can fix this problem, the little girl born with almond shaped eyes cannot.
It makes me think that the word "intent" should be the main word tested in court with
18C. What is the intent of the remarks or behaviour.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 19 March 2017 2:23:57 PM
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every knows that Q&A along with its sister the drum is for leftist socialist to pee in each others pockets. Occasionally a conservative or truth teller is put up for mockery. The funding of the abc is nothing short of a disgrace. Tony Abbott stopped the boats which all the lefties said was impossible including one of Abbott's greatest haters Marr. Unfortunately he was unable to defund such cretins as many of the abc/getup crowd.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 19 March 2017 2:50:06 PM
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