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How Muslims can help defeat Donald Trump’s retrograde agenda : Comments

By Ahmed Samatar, published 7/3/2017

As American contradictions get sharper in the coming four years, what is needed is a rich Islamic selfhood.

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It seems silly to require for more islam in the west but ignore the lack of christian states in anatolia, the levant and north africa.
Posted by progressive pat, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 9:45:27 AM
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LOL
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 10:03:59 AM
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“...how must one go about the pursuit of such an enduring and important objective?” Well, by doing what Trump is trying to do about stopping undesirables from getting into the U.S.

He cannot undo the damage done by Obama and previous administrations that allowed massive Muslim immigration; he can only move forward from the time he became President and, he is clearly being frustrated in this task by damn fool courts, urged on by the maniacal U.S Left who were expecting stupidity as usual after the election.

Muslim immigration to the West is inimical to the safety of Amercia and the West; immigration is part of the Islamic plan for eventual domination of the the World. That domination will be achieved – even if it takes centuries – unless we have politicians like Trump to prevent it; although, even he does not seem to grasp the seriousness of a Muslim presence in the West.

If Trump does exhibit “ ignorance, a small-minded vision”, it is in the fact they he, like all Western politicians, is blissfully unaware of the danger of ANY Muslim immigration and its connection to the jihad against the West. The subject is not “the pivotal role of immigrants in the making of the United States” ; it is keeping the United States free (of Islamic domination).

Previous immigrants to the West have, indeed, helped build countries to what they are today; Muslim immigrants come for the welfare, firmly believing that they are part of the coming Islamization of the West – which, of course they will be, unless we start to get some sense. Comparing today's mass immigation of Muslims with the post-WW11 mass immigations of displaced persons and people looking for a better life is pathetically naïve, and extemely suicidal. Defending one's country against Islamization has nothing to do with “This re-ignition of racist othering” that this Muslim person is trying to put over on us.

When reading anything written by a Muslim, we must remember 'taqiyya'. There is nothing good to be gained by an Islamic presence in the West
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 10:21:35 AM
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“It is ridiculous to think you can have Islam without the bad bits. Mohammed was not a freethinker and neither is Allah”. (Peter Smith in today's Quadrant online).
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 2:56:46 PM
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I don't understand why people get upset about President Trump's immigration stance.
I mean really Donald Trump was just an ordinary man, just a candidate among MANY when he made his feelings known.
The US public stood behind him and SUPPORTED his stance.
That's democracy.
The author may not support Trump, but who is he to criticise.
US citizens aka 'We the People' decided the outcome out the election which is the status quo that now stands.
Get over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ismail_Samatar
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 4:10:05 PM
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I'd like to say to the writer of this article.

This is not about racism in Western countries, this is about the
bad behaviour of Muslims in Western countries.

Why don't you heap blame on Islamists who seek to blow people up
In Western countries. They are the reason people dressed in Islamic
Dress are being regarded with high suspicion by people in those countries.

It is just plain common sense to ban people from enemy countries.
Who would have let millions of Germans especially males pour into
their countries during World War Two.
The fact that this article writer can't see this, makes me even more suspicious
about his loyalty to America,Australia and Europe.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 6:17:17 PM
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Well, truth is, America is a brutal place.always was always will be one would expect.
It's actually a land with little mercy. But it parades the lie of peace and prosperity for all.
It never was like that!
It's a land of greed, a land of take it if you can; the home base of capitalism. Expect no mercy for the underdog.

It's why the Italians and the Irish survived and flourished in the good old USofA. They could fight, they could suffer; it was normal and written in their DNA.
Muslims are actually behind the eight ball on this point. Although the are likewise tough and are survivors, they are not cultured for the painful ride it will be to integrate into a society that is different on most levels. They do and they will struggle.

The way forward is en mass. Fight out from the corner! And they will do that.
But for the rest of us looking on, we will also be caught up in their war of integration.
Hang on, it'll be a wild ride...
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 7:23:41 AM
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So Diver Dan, you reckon that the Middle East is a better place to live than the US ?
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 2:04:09 PM
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Well the headline says it all, doesn't it?

The Muslims want to defeat the duly elected president of the country that has permitted them to enter.

Sounds like a damn good reason to make sure no more enter.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 2:33:07 PM
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Quote: "The vast majority of Muslim Americans .... is proud of their Islamic faith".

Proud of the hate, violence and slander in the Quran?
Proud of the evil deeds of their prophet, a man that attacked his neighbors for 10 years, committing all kinds of atrocities?
Proud the the sorry state of human rights in Islamic countries?
Proud of the discrimination and violence Muslims inflict on other religions and even other Muslims?

What we see here, again, is a Muslim that blames everything on others - Not one word about possible problems with Muslims or their beliefs.

As to a "reasoning Islam, at ease with others (heterogeneity), and that puts the law of the land above Sharia, we must have missed this, since these conditions are contrary to Islamic ideology and are absent in Muslim societies.

Finally, since when can Muslims enter into an "open, vigorous and respectful dialogue"? In Islamic societies, they use blasphemy laws to suppress all contrary opinions; in the West they scream "Islamophobia" at any criticisms. Muslim do not want dialogue, they want unmerited acceptance. Thy should anyone respect a people that does not respect others?

As I have said here for 15 years, Muslims cannot live in peace, in numbers, as equals, with non-Muslims. Bad times are coming. I blame the hate that saturates Islam and the (self) deceit and ignorance of Muslims.
Posted by kactuz, Friday, 10 March 2017 9:18:46 AM
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Mr. Samatar is an expert on Somalia (also a fail;ed political candidate in a failed state). Now his own words from a NYT article
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/09/30/does-al-shabab-pose-a-threat-on-american-soil/the-jihadist-component-is-a-threat

Quote: Somalia is a fallen country. Poverty is so widespread that many people in Mogadishu, the capital, live in camps for the internally displaced. Nearly three quarters of Somalis under age 30 are unemployed, while over half a million Somalis are warehoused in the world’s largest refugee camp in northern Kenya. Personal physical safety is precarious for most, Somaliland being an exception. The national state continues to be acutely feeble and the political class so corrupt that Somalia is at the very bottom of the 174 countries rated by Transparency International. Not surprisingly the decay of Somali poetic and artistic culture is pervasive.

While each category contributes to Al Shabab’s violent activities, it is the internationalist group, so singularly hateful and seeking apocalyptic redemption, that is most likely to extend its reach into the United States. Members could do so by either pushing harder to recruit young Somali-Americans to join them in the Horn of Africa or, more ambitiously and daringly, wreak havoc inside the United States. (unquote)

Never once does this author, in any of his writings, seek to understand the primary source of the disorder and violence that ravages his country. Why are Al Shabab and/or ISIS hateful? It might be the Quran and hadith, which they constantly cite in their communications..... (Think about that, because Mr. Samatar will not consider it!)

But he wants the West (Mr. Trump in this case) to shut his eyes and sing Kumbayah and let Muslims and radical Somalis come as they want, without restrictions, to share their failed social norms and hateful ideology, bringing with them the mentality that has made a mess of his country.
Posted by kactuz, Friday, 10 March 2017 9:44:23 AM
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