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Warped welfare wailing : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 12/1/2017

The concept of basic income is not really original. Finland is giving it a trial run in one of its regions and Scotland will do so this year in two of its counties.

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Never met anyone who didn't enjoy building or crafting products, in this era, the key to helping the poor is to encourage patience and local shopping.

"Encourage patience and local shopping". what the hell is that supposed to achieve?

The only thing warped about welfare is this.

The knowledge that govt can and should be creating money out of thin air just like banks do in order to provide it self with the money it needs to provide all that a society needs is spreading far too slowly.

There is absolutely no reason at all why govt cannot provide all pensioners with an income ranging 2-3 times present rates and up to average weekly earnings based on an agreed illegibility criteria.

Instaed of jumping up and down screaming how this cant be done, read this: The Remarkable Model Of The Commonwealth Bank Of Australia by Ellen Brown.

Lets make no mistake about welfare, all govts and all main political parties in Australia believe in welfare because none of them have ever been know to criticize corporate welfare.

Contrast this with the daily media bashing of the unemployed. Lets also clearly understand that the anti dole views being grown into the public consciousness is a form of mind control because the anti dole views that many people hold are not their own but those of the controllers which have been put into their heads by the controller via media.

How many people reading this have ever heard of corporate welfare? How many of them know how much money is spent of corporate welfare each year.

I bet most have never heard of corporate welfare because that nice lady on the TV has not told them about it.

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion but allow a very lively debate within that spectrum. – Noam Chomsky
Posted by Referundemdrivensocienty, Saturday, 14 January 2017 6:37:44 PM
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The universal basic income is called New Start or the dole.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 15 January 2017 7:28:16 AM
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Referendumdrivensociety

Agree on all points. There are so many amongst us who, by virtue of their own righteous selfishness or being brainwashed from birth by a user-pays cultural narrative, are in total denial that society is a collective community. In the western capitalist democracies, the sovereign wealth fund is primarily viewed as investment capital for the rich and well off to profit from their non-labour. The idea that the sovereign wealth fund belongs to all, and should support all, is unthinkable.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 15 January 2017 9:58:52 AM
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The most obvious advantage of a guaranteed Universal Basic Income, UBI, is that it would enable a vast simplification of our horrendously complicated tax system. Peter Costello once famously said that our tax system needed to be complicated because we live in a complex society, but he had it a... backwards. - our whole society is screwed up due to the rotten tax system.

Imagine, for example, that every adult Australian, (you, me, and James Packer) received $250 per week, regardless of any other income, but that ALL other income was taxed at a flat rate of, say, 40%. No capital gains concessions, no possibility of shifting income to lower taxed family members, no way of avoiding tax by "gifting" property to family members, etc., and where the only possible response to the question of "How can I reduce my tax?" is "Reduce your income".
(At $52,000 per year, the UBI balances the tax, so that only those with incomes below this are aided by it. Although James Packer receives the UBI, to simplify the system, he is helping.)

As a trivial example, a company that has a profit of $10M before paying the workers, pays $4M tax, and is then free to pay the workers out of the remaining $6M, after tax. The workers have no need to fill in forms, or contact the ATO, unless they have other sources of income.

The ATO could downsize tremendously, Centrelink would be unnecessary, our universities could turn out more doctors, scientists, and engineers, rather than blood-sucking lawyers and tax consultants. And it is not hard to imagine a great reduction in crime, suicide, and family violence.
Posted by Beaucoupbob, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 11:51:06 AM
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