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Integrity and identity politics : Comments

By Michael Thompson, published 13/9/2016

The Brisbane Writer's Festival has touched on a sore point of identity politics when the opening address by Lionel Shriver challenged the concept that only those who feel oppressed should be permitted to write or speak about it.

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Hmmm... Well you know how you get your panties all up in a bunch over climate change?

I kind of have the same problem with these religious nutjubs running around my country stabbing people 1 to 100 times and screaming Allah Ackbar for no explainable reason.

I don't want to discriminate against anyone, but honestly their belief system sucks if they think its good to stab Australians in the street and promote Sharia Law.
And these fanatics on the street, it's not just their presence that's a physical danger but the fact we pay our hard earned taxes for them to come here for the luxury of having our suburbs taken oven, being called racist and treated like a minority in our country.

Maybe you missed the Home Hill and Minto stabbings, or maybe you don't give a crap.
Maybe you don't know about Islam - Make treaties when you're weak, Cut off their heads when you're strong.

We pay for them to come here (12,000 Syrians cost $900 Million equals $75,000 a head.)
Then demand health welfare and education and the import of their relatives and then they stab us in our streets.

You want me to bend over to the immigrants and lose my country to terrorists and terrorism while paying for your little save the planet scheme?
You've lost the plot mate.

Why the hell should I embrace any of them if they aren't prepared or capable of embracing us?

Start thinking about saving the country first and not handing it over to minorities, immigrants and terrorists before I ever give a stuff about your stupid save the planet bs.

Were you born in the country mate or are you someone who identifies as say Irish or as foreigner and so you have to have this grovelling apologist stance towards other immigrants?

Ive got Aboriginal in me and Irish too so try a little harder next time to come up with worthwhile points next time you take a swipe against the evil white man you idiot.

Bloody 'Allah Achbar' apologist.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 11:30:50 AM
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Armchair Critic,
Do you ever drive anywhere? Catch a plane? Take the dog for a walk? Use the shower?

All of those things present risks that are orders of magnitude (an order of magnitude represents a multiple of 10) greater than the risk of being violently assaulted by an extremist Muslim. If you factor in the fact that you are (presumably) not Muslim yourself, then you can reduce the risk side of the Muslim equation by another order of magnitude or so.

In other words, stop acting like a silly, scared old woman jumping at shadows.
Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 11:50:29 AM
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@Armchair Critic, I offer a few factual corrections.

I don't 'get my panties all up in a bunch' over AGW/CC. I'm a 'freeballer', imagine that. :-)

It is not 'Allah Achbar', is in fact 'Allahu Akbar'.

The religion of Islam is the second largest on the planet, with 1.6 billion adherents, or 23 percent of the global population. Just as Christianity has their Lutherans, Catholics, born agains, and young earth creationists, Islam is a very diverse and broad church - just like the Liberal Party!

No one individual or group represents all Muslims or all of Islam. Do you understand this very simple logical fact?

Muslims have been peacefully living in this land before the ~1850s. This is before my first ancestors arrived in 1863 in a Tall Ship from England, from Germany in the 1880s, and my third group from Ireland in the 1890s. Despite this I am not angry nor filled with fear or hate. I must be a one off? :-)

So, I am a 6th generation Australian and yet there must be some 8th to 9th generation law-abiding Muslim descendants living here as well. Do you understand this very simple logical fact Armchair?

In Northern Ireland there were both catholic and protestant 'terrorists' killing innocents and each other. All the Irish, all Catholics or all Protestants (there and here) were NOT defined as terrorists. They were NOT treated as if they were terrorists based SOLELY on which religion or ethnicity they identified with.

Do you understand this very simple logical fact Armchair Critic?

Were Australians smarter in 1966 vs 2016?

re: "or maybe you don't give a crap."

Let me inform you that I DO give a crap, and much more than a crap.

It's insulting that people like you would even doubt that or use this kind of despicable fallacious argument against others on social media that you have zero knowledge of, nor any justification to imply such things. It's pathetic.

re: "You want me to bend over...."

I do not 'want' you to do a damned thing, let alone bend over.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 12:08:07 PM
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Actually Craig Minns its a risk / reward scenario and if you can't understand that then I can't help you.

I risk driving a car for the reward of not having to walk.
I risk catching a plane for the reward of not having to drive.
I risk taking the dog for a walk for the reward of having a pet and the company he or she brings.
I risk taking a shower for the reward of making myself clean.

What reward do Muslim immigrants bring?
A risk for no reward = downright foolishness.

If you truly believe what you say PROVE IT by playing chicken on the freeway.
That would be taking a risk for no reward also.

I told you all months ago that more attacks would happen and when they did it wouldn't be the terrorists fault it would be the do-gooder apologists.
So now you people are officially worse than them, in my eyes.

Well go take a look at WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
Take a good look at the life you ended.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-25/man-charged-over-home-hill-stabbing-murder-queensland-backpacker/7785298

Then ask yourself what reward you could give me that would make me tolerate this shite.

Another Allah Ackbar apologist.
No wonder this countries going down the toilet.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 12:16:30 PM
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Ah, I see Armchair Critic, you believe you have no reward, so any risk is unacceptable.

Why didn't you just say you were a selfish, miserable old bugger playing dog-in-the-manger in the first place?

I'll have to forego the rest of your rant; I'm afraid the reward of reading it isn't likely to be worth the risk of being exposed to what passes for thought in that thing you probably think is a mind.

Go and have a cuppa and good lie down, dear, you really could do with it.
Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 12:32:26 PM
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Armchair Critic, I apologise for my last outburst, I failed to live up to my own standards, which makes me a little ashamed. Please note, that does not mean I agree with anything you've said, or support your right to be abusive to others merely for disagreeing with your own views, which appear to be poorly considered at best.

The point I should have made is that while you (rightly or wrongly) perceive no personal benefit to Muslim immigration, there are many people who benefit from the addition to our community of this relatively newly group. Very probably there are people who you care about among them. At the same time, the risk you are personally undertaking through the presence of an increased Muslim population is vanishingly small, as ii is for us all. Therefore, your "risk and reward" calculation is fatally flawed.

A few more things more likely to do you harm than a Muslim extremist on a rampage:
your wife when you arrive home full of beer and misery from the RSL;
your cat; me if I had listen to you sounding off in person - there's a limit to how much I can put up with.
Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 1:16:09 PM
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