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Can secret political donations be justified? : Comments

By Max Atkinson, published 26/8/2016

There is also a need to explain just how bad the present system is, with no limits on spending by multi-millionaires like Clive Palmer, and no constraints on donations from any source.

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Important piece, directed at a hopeless systemic distortion which drives us ever-nearer to the US lobbyocracy. With so much paid-for self interest, Australian democracy is being bought off!
Posted by freddington, Monday, 29 August 2016 11:56:12 AM
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If we look at the US. Political donations are there simply for corporations to manipulate the political system. An incorporated body can't vote. So they get there through the back door. No donation is given without a prior thought of giving an advantage. No matter how small the donation. A bigger worry is when overseas corporations start with the donations to effect the election. I'd go as far as saying that all major Australian corporations are now owned by the US. If they start to donate (and they do) then advantage is given from outside of Australia. International interference of our political system is both possible and probable.
The basic question in the light of advantage: "is this democratic?".
The answer has to be no. As not all people can give the same amount of advantage. The most democratic way is simply to ban donations. Political advertising can be given almost free by SBS and the ABC. Everybody has free access to these organizations. To view policy announcements etc. Administrative expenses can be met using an allowance system. From the moment the election is called commercial enterprise should be banned from any mention of political based rhetoric. Then we should look at banning lobbyists. For the same reasons.
Obviously all this is pure fantasy, as our American masters would never allow that to happen. Labor is these days "owned" by the US democrats and Liberals is "owned" by the US republicans. You can see it in there policies. It's not an accident that there policies are basically identical. Australia, democratic and free?
Posted by JustGiveMeALLTheFacts, Monday, 29 August 2016 2:08:26 PM
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There will never be democracy while the present system of bribes is allowed to continue.
We are in a state of government by donations and if it continues we will have complete government by corporation.
Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 4:28:01 PM
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Some of me mates av been asking questions:

Just regarding the possible imminent demotion of Senator Leyno's Senate colleague Labor Senator Sam Dastyari.

Note on:

= 26 August 2016 I flagged (at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18476#328355 ) the habit of Labor members of Parliament receiving Chinese money including travel money:

"...Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 26 August 2016 12:21:23 PM
Yeah, your right Max. Talk about Kevin Rudd sacking a Labor (that is ALP) Minister who (Rudd believed) got too close to China.
On account of undeclared trips to China paid for by Chinese...? see http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=8745
If anything Labor's pretensions to comradely Internationalism gets Labor Ministers into trouble http://www.smh.com.au/national/defence-leaks-dirt-file-on-own-minister-20090325-9ahq.html?page=-1 ".

The above was 5 days before the Chinese money to Senator Sam Dastyari Affiar become public, on:

= 31 August 2016
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/senator-sam-dastyari-under-fire-after-chinese-donor-foots-bill/7799608 .

Planta the Prescient? Maybe!
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 4:52:27 PM
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