Comparing Indonesia with US, the Yanks had firing squads with 2 states today doing executions Indonesia style. Yes bloodlines do rebel as in the holy Russian Motherland in Ukraine. The corrupt Ukraine / Indonesian governments don't need that.

Indonesians don't go without grog or any other intoxicating substances, Duncan has obviously never been there, even in the most conservative areas you will be offered bootleg alchohol, marijuana, ecstasy, magic mushrooms, methamphetamine or whatever else takes your fancy.
It's everywhere, why do you think they have such strict drug enforcement laws?

nicknamenick

yes, I agree about Ukraine.
Putin said he did nothing in Ukraine that the USA hasnt done before.

That is, going into a civil war situation and supporting one side, in
this case Pro Russian citizens against pro-European citizens..

The USA could make a strong partnership with Russia in their fight against
militant Islam.
Putin and the Russians dont like militant muslims. Just look at the hostilities
in Russia with the muslim Chechnyans
If a war can be avoided between the USA and Russia over Ukraine.
Then USA and Russia could make a formidable war force against any threats to Europe. Russia after all is regarded as a European country.

Forget the historical animosities with Russia, and storiies of the cold war.
Things have changed,Stalin is gone, as have the Russian presidents, alive at the time of the cold war.
Putins Russia is different today, and Putin is a modern leader.
He would welcome an alliance with the USA I believe,if the USA deals fairly
and honestly with him and the fight in Ukaine doesnt precipitate more hostilities
so as to prevent any such friendship.

The USA has to understand Russias position and where Russia perceives threats
to their country in the region in which they live.

This has been demonstrated by Russia coming in to stop the fall of Assads Syria, The USA
once again backing the wrong side and going against what the Russians perceived
as the main security risk to their country in the civil war.

America should do their homework better and make a friend of Russia instead of
an enemy. We need them onside.

yes probably better to have Indonesia onside too. So we dont get panel damage on shiny new subs.
advance Australia fair and the NSW Rum Corps which ran grog profits which even upset the London casinos. Capital punishment of course and His Excellency Governor Macquarie flogged 2 free citizens for trespassing in his flower garden. Don't mention the Catholics , not until about 1960 when JFKennedy was only just accepted for the top job and they got a fair go in deep down under.