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Mixed motives in South Australia's nuclear waste import plan : Comments
By Noel Wauchope, published 23/8/2016The message from the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission (NFCRC) is clearly a plan to make South Australia rich, by importing foreign nuclear wastes.
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Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:59:18 PM
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Hi ChristinaMac1
1. Defence Industry - As I see it the Federal Government (for vote-gaining and genuine social concerns) is attempting to lift South Australia out of its rustbelt manufacturing doldrums mainly with money for defence projects. That is about $40 Billion for submarine and warship building over the next 10 years. 2. The nuclear waste-dump concept is partly another opportunity for Federal money for South Australia. And South Australia's extensive, low population, desert geography helps. I don't think the waste-dump will lead to high profits. Otherwise high waste producing Russia and China with their own extensive deserts and relatively little public opposition to worry about would have established high profit, international waste-dumps years ago. So I think the waste-dump concept in South Australia may run at a loss for years but business could pick-up, and some profits made, as new style reactors catch-on internationally especially in India and a renewed Japanese nuclear reactor industry. A waste-dump zone covering 1/10,000th? of South Australia wouldn't make it a "sacrifice zone". Quite a bit of South Australia has been restricted for certain purposes for decades, eg. http://www.defence.gov.au/woomera/permit-tourist.htm . Regards Pete Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 6:55:17 PM
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Australia houses old deteriorating nuclear bombs. They need to be buried.
Posted by McReal, Thursday, 25 August 2016 7:36:34 PM
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Giday McReal
Really? Then where is "Australia [currently housing] old deteriorating nuclear bombs." "In the Top Secret Bunker drilled 5 kms below Parliament House?" I hear you ask. Here's the proof: "Those who know of this remote bunker gain access through a series of locked doors in Parliament's science-fiction basement, where electric carts cruise almost silently along tunnels so confusing and featureless that they have been given street names. You must call security to tell that you are down there, for if you were to accidentally lock yourself in The Cathedral, no one would hear your screams." More? See http://www.smh.com.au/national/in-the-great-yawning-vault-carved-below-parliament-no-one-can-hear-you-scream-20090320-94ha.html Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 25 August 2016 11:58:10 PM
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I can see him now, a commanding yet unconvincing Malcolm Fraser on television announcing to his people that the nuclear waste problem had been solved by a product called SYNROC. Looking back now it really is pathetic how politicians can fool themselves with a presumptive "messianic visionary" view of the future of which scientists and the sweaty masses are unappreciative, sometimes even contemptuous.
Not only is it pathetic, it is ironic that our lucky country has space to burn and a gullible public who can be drip-fed a fairy tale with untold riches in prospect to ameliorate the odd slightly jarring fact of human frailty, political expediency and industrial imperatives. Transport of these nuclear waste products alone raises considerations of sabotage/terrorism from religious/political fanatics. Loading and unloading hundreds of canisters by crane, road, rail and sea transport with a repeat of the transport logistics at the destination. Thanks to Youtube we can see major accidents occurring daily around the world, leaving the viewer stupefied as to the idiocy required bring about such events. Yes, I know industry and governments deal with dangerous goods every day with " little or no harm" to anyone or anything. But how many of those "dangerous goods" will render a contaminated site dangerous to all life for 100,000 years? And how much leeway is the public to understand between "little" and "no"? How many deaths and suffering is considered as "acceptable" by the statisticians? One fact is certain, though, no politician, science advisor or captain of industry will figure in the count. http://www.politico.eu/interactive/in-pictures-chernobyl-30-years-later/ The glibness of the argument, the bare-faced pie-in-the-sky predictions such as from Jayb should have all Australians demanding answers as to the responsibilities and guarantees of the waste providers. At what precise point in the waste disposal process does the waste become Australia's "property"? Should we be proud owners of this stuff as Jayb suggests? After all, it's entirely our responsibility. Then there's assuring the integrity and security of the transport and subsequent storage of this stuff with meticulous inspections at strategic intervals. Cont............. Posted by Pogi, Monday, 29 August 2016 3:10:51 PM
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Cont........Familiarity breeds contempt and human error intrudes into the equation.
Glib lobbyists and gullible politicians is a potentially disastrous combination. The cane toad infestation is an example of political and scientific incompetence. Apply the same scenario on a much grander scale, on the scale of our world's supply of nuclear waste. When the suff is our property no one is going to rush to our aid to prevent a disaster of faulty packaging that reveals itself ten years down the track. If this stuff that everyone in the industry wants to foist off onto Australia ever becomes a useful and easy alternative source of energy as predicted is likely to happen then the makers of this commodity will want to keep it for themselves. How far in the future is this likely to happen? Ten years? Twenty years? Seventy years? As another contributor presciently indicates, if vast wealth rewards the storer of others' nuclear rubbish then Russia's huge Siberian tundra or China's extensive desert regions might have attracted entrepreneurs before today. Could Earth's numerous volcanoes be coaxed into swallowing a drum of waste every day and not belch it into the atmosphere? Would the assault of such high temperatures destroy radioactivity? There's one other place that's ideal. The waste could be fired by rocket into the sun. Surely such a diet would not discommode our benevolent life-giver. Several thousand tons of delectable fissionable material would scarcely be noticed. Cont.......... Posted by Pogi, Monday, 29 August 2016 3:15:52 PM
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The same with the NWF. It shouldn't matter if the money doesn't come rolling in in the first year. It's the Future that counts & this is one Project that will pay off Big Time in the end.
Providing, of course that the Questions are asked & assurances are Guaranteed.
Noel Wauchope is an avowed anti-Nuclearist. He doesn't want any nuclear anything in Australia. I do agree with one thing. These other Countries do seem to build their Nuclear Power plants on Fault Lines & known Tsunami Areas. Why they do this? I don't know? It's really stupid.
Australia is a relatively Earthquake Free Zone & any Reactor or NWF would need to be build well away from any suspect areas. Which wouldn't be hard to do in Australia.
Let's hope Noel or any of his Ilk ever need Nuclear medicine. I for one would deny the benefits of Nuclear Medicine to any Anti-Nuclearist. One would hope he doesn't even have a Smoke Alarm in his house. If he does then he would be a hypocrite.
Let's have another look at the eventual Benefits again;
Australia could solve a lot of problems with storing the Worlds Nuclear Waste.
1. They pay Australia to take the Waste of their hands.
2. They pay for the ongoing Maintenance of the Nuclear Site.
3. Australia owns the Nuclear Waste.
4. The Nuclear Waste is in a Secure Location where it can't go missing or get stolen.
5. The Aboriginal get compensated for their Land with Schools, Work & a University, taking The Aboriginal people out of the Stone Age into the Nuclear in one hit on their own Traditional Lands.
6. The dedicated to find ways of utilizing Nuclear Waste for the benefit of Man.
7. The Research belongs to Australia.
8. The Technology can then be sold or Leased out to benefit Australia's Financial bottom line.
9. Australia is Geologically Safe.